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this is on tonight on bbc1 this has been happening for years,i heard it being discussed on the radio by people who lived in a area where this was happening and by asian gangs but nothing was done.

just watched panorama and especially in blackburn older asian men are coercing white girl into becoming prostitutes,the police were walking around the streets and spotted some girls hanging around while blokes in cars waited and one of the officers spoke to one man who said "if they dress like that its okay for them to have sex with men or its the parents fault not the menfor having sex with them".

Its hard work. The Police would rather concentrate on easy nicks to pump up their figures. Much easier to persecute people for using a phone while driving.

Oh yeah, because drivers who use their phones are really paying attention to the road while on the move. Let's add persecuting folk who are driving home from an all-day binge at the pub as well, eh?

To return to the topic, there are some loathsome scum out there who cannot think beyond their sexual gratification---and it doesn't matter how many lives they ruin to gain that. Pimps, rats with rabies----both vermin that deserve to be wiped off the face of the planet. But at least rabid rats do their own dirty work.

Caractacus wrote:

> Oh yeah, because drivers who use their phones are really paying
> attention to the road while on the move.

As much attention as if they are using a headset legally. And we've seen lately that they now define 'touching' your phone to count as using. Easy nick. Taxation by fine.

Well, there's an easy way of avoiding it---don't use your phone while in a moving car.

Rather than a big defence of using ones phone whilst driving, I think Peter was alluding to the plethora of 'easy nick' strict liability offences which it must be said the police do seem to concentrate on these days. There's also an unhealthy abuse of section 5 public order offences bandied about that end with fixed penalty fines - they become a crime reported, solved and dealt with and thus very good for their 'figures'

Blame the senior officers who direct the troops towards certain targets. For what it's worth, I'd like the police to take action to safeguard young people from predatory men. However, it's also true that arseholes speeding, driving while tanked up, or---as I've seen myself---manoeuvring around a corner or roundabout with one hand on the steering wheel and the other holding a phone to the lug cause risk to other motorists and pedestrians. So why defend these cretins?

Caractacus wrote:


as I've seen myself---manoeuvring around a corner or
> roundabout with one hand on the steering wheel and the other
> holding a phone to the lug cause risk to other motorists and
> pedestrians. So why defend these cretins?

And he should be quite rightly done for that. But the current application of the law means that by simply touching your phone, you have committed an absolute offence.

We have the case of a guy who was done simply for moving his phone from the dash, where it was rattling, to the passenger seat. He was on a motorway, light traffic, good driving conditions, no harm caused to other road users. Is that really worthy of a ?60 fine and 3 penalty points?

Its the interpretation and implimentation of laws like this that lead some of us to believe they've been created to provide easy nicks to bolster piss poor police figures and raise taxation by fining.

I have a problem with mobile phones anyway, so we're never going to agree, Peter. But I do see the point you're making.