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I'm interested to know what folk think of prostitution. Of course there are feminists who would consider us to be prostituting women every time we masturbate, but I'm talking specifically about the act of going out and paying someone to have sex with you.

It certainly seems to be a breeding ground for trade in human beings, at least in terms of people arriving in this country but does that make it wrong in principle? Should the incompetence of the government to deal with the abuse of prostitution result in the removal of freedom of choice for people who wish to earn money in such a way? Is the concept that someone would choose prostitution over another option a myth that just doesn't happen in reality?

Personally speaking, I have, shall we say, 'been for a massage' on two occasions now. On both occasions I felt uncomfortable and could not rid myself of the thought that I was contributing to the exploitation of someone who, was it not for the money that I was helping her to get, would chose another option. In the end I reminded myself that who I was with was a grown adult and able to make mature decisions for herself, and who was I to presume she wasn't capable of deciding not to carry on doing it? Did I get it right? I don't know...

I think there is nothing wrong with using prostitiutes or escorts as long as person consents fully and by that I dont mean someone who has been kidnapped from Eastern Europe and is working under duress but is too frightened to complain.

As as fat bastard it is not always easy to pick up women in the conventional way so using an escort is something I have always considered but I have not yet used their services even though I have thought about it many times.

Feminists piss me off - what do they really want from life? Consider porn. There are a lot of women (UK included) who are making a brilliant living from what they do and are having fun. What is the alternative for many of them? Working is ASDA stacking shelves - the job they do it something they want to do and they enjoy a good standard of living as a result, I dont see any problem with that.

On your last note, dont worry about it! Do you feel the same way when watching a porn movie? Most (but not all) women in porn are there primarily for the money they can make and, in that sense, prostitution is no different.

Jason

Prostitution? It?s fine as far as I?m concerned. It?s a simple business transaction where you purchase ?services? from another party. And that?s that. Period.

All the rest is just middleclass baggage, religious dogma and general bollocks. Of course if someone is forced into it then that is a very different matter. But despite what you read in the tabloids and at Labour student activists meetings, I believe this is very rarely the case.

The myth that someone would choose to be a checkout girl in Tesco over prostitution if they had the offer of a job in Tesco is bollocks as well. A lot of prostitutes at the bottom end of the market are street prostitutes and most of them are probably unemployable due to poor educational attainment and general unreliability (they don?t know whether they?re coming or going) They would certainly not want a boring job with fixed hours where it would take a week to earn what they could earn with just one 8 hour shift on the streets. Hey, who would?

At the top end of the escort market prostitutes are doing very well indeed. ?1000 to spend a day or night with a rich client is not uncommon. Of course to qualify as a ?top escort? you have to be beautiful intelligent and well versed in all the social graces as the client might require a beautiful lady to accompany him to ?The Ambassador?s Ball? before he takes her back to his Park Lane hotel to give a her a well deserved shagging and afterwards ? if the client is pleased with her service ? maybe get an invite to his splendid yacht moored just of Marbella. Somehow, I don?t think this type of prostitute would be to keen to escape from her life of ?degradation? to take up a post on Sainsbury?s checkout.

Officer Dibble ? as one would expect of a man of the world ? has also been for a massage or two and on occasion has felt slightly uncomfortable for the simple reason that you are having sex with a total stranger, however further visits usually result in a breaking of the ice and it?s much more agreeable. When Matt talks about ?exploitation? he?s just wringing his hands and brandishing his middleclass credentials. ?Exploitation? what a load of bollocks! It?s business transaction like any other ? they have a service to sell, you wish to buy it. Sorted. You could apply the ?exploitation? argument to almost any business transaction ? your Brief exploits your lack of knowledge of the law. Your Dentist exploits the pain in your tooth. Your Mechanic exploits your lack of expertise in the field of the internal combustion engine! ?Exploitation? is just politically correct, socialist, middleclass sloganeering. They repeat it by wrote, but don?t have the slightest experience or clue of what they are actually sloganeering about.

In common with Jason feminists get up my nose to because they are pretentious middleclass twats. That?s one good thing about ?Tracy? in the hairdressers or ?Shaza? down the chippy is that the don?t have the slightest interest in all that leftwing tripe and they concentrate one what life is about ? earning a few quid and having some fun while the going?s good.


Officer Dibble.

Interesting subject, but also a complex one.
I wonder how many men freely admit to using the services of a Escort.
At the risk of sounding big headed, i dont need to, but i have visited an escort three times. The same girl each time because she was an ex well known model and it was an incredible turn on to have sex with a woman who i had admired on screen and mags for years. Bloody expensive though, def, a rare treat.

I would not visit a massage parlour though because i think like you Matt i would feel uncomfortable.
The exploitation is where it gets complex. There are many independent escorts who make a fine living and its a chosen living, and the money pays for a good lifestyle. I paid ?1000 for 3 hours. Thats a good hourly rate, haha.

But there is also the other end where girls are forced into it to just survive and even forced into it. I'm no expert on this subject and i feel its a very deep topic with many different views and answers.

It has been said thats it's the oldest profession in the world and i think it always will be.

Riddler, he shares and cares.

Never visited a massage parlour of phone box girl but I have used escorts on more than one occasion. Each time the lady has been someone who if I said her name you would ALL recognise.

I will not be saying their names of course. In these cases I've never felt like taking advantage of the lady as the price was prohibitive for most people and the lady was a fantasy.

In fact, I know of quite a few models in that boat.

I cant help thinking that there is something very sick about
an economy in which a thousand pounds can be expected,demanded
and handed over for something so meaningless.
The utility in such a pandering to the fetid needs of some bloated,desperate plutocratic toad and the corresponding giving
of so much buying power to someone who creates no wealth is a
real obscenity. Anyone who wastes money like that is a complete
shithead.

I take it you are referring to the provision of non-sexual
'escort' services, in which case I tend to agree.
Prostitution is a whole different thing......

No jj, he?s not just talking about non-sexual services he?s talking about ?the full Monty? and I have to totally disagree.

If someone pays the asking price of an item or service then that is what it is worth. Simple as that, the buyer has set the price. If he were to say ?No hold on, I won?t go above ?750.00? and the seller agrees. Then the item or service is worth ?750.00. This is one of the main principles behind the whole stock market. This is a simple real world economic principles that I?m quite sure a college boy like Moby understands. But he chooses to ignore it because it doesn?t fit in with the Guardian reading, hand wringing middleclass belief system he has invested his time in.

Moby reckons that such a service is ?meaningless? This is totally airy-fairy. In what context does he mean it?s meaningless? In the context of a Students Union debate? If he had said that such a service wasn?t worth the dosh then that would be fair comment ? thousands would disagree, but Moby?s opinion would be just as valid as theirs.

Moby goes on to say that if a successful capitalist found himself feeling horny and fancied a shag then he would be ?a fetid desperate toad? for having such desires. But are we to surmise that if Moby himself fancied a shag then he would not be ?a fetid desperate toad? simply by virtue of him (presumably) not being a successful capitalist?

Moby goes on to berate prostitutes as "creating no wealth" ? well, making ?3-5000 a week certainly counts as wealth creation in my book! But of course I know what he really means and would say that the dough the girls spend be it at Harvey Nicks or Versace creates wealth and employment all the way down the food chain (more simple economics) I don?t think it?s obscene that they can make so much dough ? ?cause I?m a positive kind of chap and I like to see people being successful. I say - Hey, good luck to ?em!

It?s not very profound or thoughtful calling someone a ?shithead? just because they spend their dough on something you don?t like or don?t agree with. Hey, I think that people who buy ?Steps? ?Hearsay? or any other manufactured groups records are at least knob heads and the same goes for anybody who wasted money gazing at themselves on ?Big Bruver? But, if it makes ?em happy guess I?ll leave? ?em to it?

I detect a slightly unsettling note of distaste of prostitutes and in particular successful ones in your post. Is this because they don?t conform to the standards and morals you think ?wimmin? should have or is it because their success and evident good life style trashes the hand wringing lefty argument that they are oppressed ?victims? of a testosterone driven society?


Officer Dibble - in socio-ecnomic mode.

Nice truncheon-action.......an artist at work.
And yes, HearSay/Steps/BigBro fans are probably 'knobheads' at the very least (unless fans solely of Mss. Tozer/Lee)

I Was going to reply to Mobys very silly post, but the officer has gobbled him up had a good munch and spat him out. pure class.