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O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 10:14 am
by Allan
Selling private films

Just a question:

I see a few selling there private collection of films on this message board.

The question is, are these a private sale or is is someone who is selling films as a business.

I could see this being the way porn is sold in the UK.

People will go abroad, by films and DVS's cheap then sell them as a 'private' sale over message boards.

After all it must be safer than buying wine/beer/SIGs and bringing them into the UK to sell.

If these sales are not private, then it could be argued that this message board in allowing the posts could in itself be in evolved with a crime and could be shut down.

I am saying this as this is a good message board and I do not want it shut down due to one or two people using it to make money from it wrongly.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 10:42 am
by jj
As there's no Excise Duty levied (on what are essentially illegal goods), and such offers of sale are remarkably scarce, it's hard to see a profit in this.
Prices here (R18) and abroad (non-cert) are broadly comparable.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:47 am
by Arnold Layne
mines definitley a private sale, as I have only 1 of each film, ask my missus! she's the one making me clear them out!

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 11:55 am
by MisterC
The board is merely being used as a medium for posting. The only transactions that are totally illegal to facilitate are drug dealing and contract killing. Unless the board is an active participant then there is no problem.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 1:57 pm
by Vic
Dear Allan,

I would have thought that the small collections of movies mentioned from time to time on the forum no doubt would be treated as simply private collectors' items, not an ongoing business.

Normally, as pointed out, there would be one of each title maybe a duplicate of a very special favourite or a better copy (Silvia in my case!). At least one posting I replied to privately (Just)was indeed for simple swap or sell. Usually, the cost of imports is rather high say ?32 per DVD. I believe that the quality ones can be bought in by shops in town for ?10-?15 trade much less for some USA discs. They might sell for ?30 - ?45 each retail and swap for ?20. There is no great profit to be made from private collectors swapping or disposing of their collections, as we have seen, sometimes under female duress!

I am not quite sure what the offence would be in selling a private collection at less than you paid for it or even for swapping it. I exopect that the "selling obscene material for gain" is still in force and of course the Video Recording Acts which I presume are still in force with possible amendments.
But are these regular explicit glamour movies still considered obscene? Is it only just a few that now attract trouble?

The display of magazines in sweet shops next to where children buy their lollipops and sweets I think is covered by legislation (is there an Indecent Display Act ? - or was it never brought in?). I am not too keen on children of 4 or 5 running about in Record Shops such as HMV and chancing upon lurid displays of suggestive videos in the "Adult" Section sometimes kept in a readily accessible shelf at low level or even higher level where 9 and 10 year olds will be confronted by them. In fact, as I mentioned to one of the female staff there, the only viewers to that section when I was passing through were a bunch of young children! The staff member assured me that they were kept well out of sight - but that was not so!

As far as I know, some of the recent jury trials are finding jury members unwilling to hold that movie material is obscene. The "Seymore Books" case in Soho recently is one such case I think. The statement by Customs (was it?) giving details about private importations seems to help collectors.

At least with Licensed Sex Shops, children are not admitted there, whereas they are likely to be in the sweet shops and newsagents and have to run the gauntlet of ever more suggestive displays, when all they want is a bag of sweets or a comic.
Even in the comics, newsagents leave scattered about ar ground level suggestive comics (SMUT ?) with all sorts of advertising and the cover looks just like a child's comic book. I have once asked a shop owner to move them, - to no avail. We do have some conventions on decency and conduct, even if biologically, nature seems to be egging us on at an ever earlier stage. Other countries allow different things. Nothing is set absolutely.
There should be some preservation of childrens' innocence and I would like to see that remain.

Just some thoughts and queries in this funny old world.

Regards, Vic.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 2:30 pm
by Lizard
Rest easy in your bed Allan, you have a great knack of turning an ordinary subject into a major crime investigation, there are people selling video copies all over the world to mates and such, if money changes hands so what!let sleeping dogs lie.
I sell expensive equipment all over the world and people pay full price, and sometimes I sell equipment cheaper to mates, because they are mates! nothing else, they are both private sales.


amen.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 4:11 pm
by Officer Dibble
Yes, it's a funny old world Vic and this is a funny old post. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet ? even a slight paranoia - about kiddie winkies catching a glimpse of tit or bum down the shops. What do you think would happen to them if they they did? Do you reckon they might wither and disintegrate like Christopher Lee exposed to God?s gracious daylight? There are a lot of these kinds of nebulous statements made about ?protecting children's inoccence? but from what precisely? Sex is not some vile affliction to horrible to discuss in polite society it?s perfectly normal and natural. If we want kiddies to grow up well adjusted then sex should be out in the open, because if there is nothing wrong with it them there is nothing to hide. It's right and proper that sex should not be rammed down anybodies throat, but nor should we lock it in the back bedroom like a rabidly insane sibling.

Hey, I can still recall when I was 9 -10 and starting to experience strange sensations in the loins. I would spend all day searching for my dad?s stash of wank mags (Parade ? tits, bums, fannys! Ahh the memories?) I certainly wasn?t keen to avoid porn at that age, for fucks sake, I couldn't get enough! Yes, there?s an awful lot of crap talked about children and sex by people who, for one reason and another, choose to forget that they - like I - were extremely interested in sex before they reached their teens and it didn?t do them any harm at all!

Officer Dibble.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 4:44 pm
by jj
See alo my several rants about artificial notions of 'innocence'.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 5:52 pm
by Vic
Dear Off. D,

What you hurtfully term paranoia I would call Common Decency!

What else should be inflicted upon young children and those members of the public who do not wish to be assailed by explicit sexual commercial content at every turn?

Perhaps I am getting a little too old for this site.

Regards,

Vic.

Re: O/T: Selling private films

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2002 7:04 pm
by mannteufel
Decency is not common: neither is sense! I cannot imagine what anyone who has issues with the "indecent" naked female form should be doing on this particular web site. Furthemore, those of you who grew up on farms where animals (& humans) engage in intercourse freely, would know that kids know as much as there is to know, but that they are not usually in a position to perform such acts themselves, (and that is how it should be).

If some individual is able to provide a service or product which some other individual is willing to pay for, in God's name let him do so. Since anything worth doing is worth doing for money, let him make a profit, for PROFIT is not a dirty word (and neither is PROFESSIONAL)

I find this attitude to sex and/or money peculiarly "upper and middle class British", and it is invariably laced with a touch of the blatantly obvious hypocrisy and sadly misplaced arrogance that has no place in the modern world.

Does anyone have any "INSIGHT VIDEO'S"? I am led to believe that they were made about 10 years ago, anf they usually feature one or two scenes of up to 45 minutes each, usually with some fairly well known model engaging in some girl-girl or boy-girl hardcore activity. They are very well shot and the couple are usually making love or serious lust, and not just engaged in some spurious penetrative activity. The resultant orgasms could not possibly be faked.

I would be happy to pay a token fee (joke) or the going rate for any copies that can be made (VHS, CD-ROM or DVD) or swap any of my 500 tapes or 75 DVD's.