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I feel that things are now so bad for the Labour Party that they are looking at 20 years in opposition once Brown is either sacked by his party this weeks, quits - or limps along to the next election, which has to take place in the next 11 months.

If he quits and someone else just tries to take over it will mean two unelected Labour PM's in one term, and I'm not sure they could get away with that. Trying to draw things out for another 11 months, with ministers quitting all over the place, and with the Euro elections giving them their worst result for 100 years, it seems that whatever Gordon The Ego does he has had it and so has his party. I really think they will spend two decades in opposition no matter what happens.

We will then be stuck with the Tories. For their first term all will be well but then it will become all about staying in office at any price, and they will lie to the public to get re-elected and then do whatever they want, and do the same at the subsequent election too (rather like in the later years of Thatcher and the entire Major period). Gordon The Ego wont care though as he will be too busy becoming a multi millionaire trading off the contacts he made in Whitehall (like Blair is now doing, Major has been doing since he left office, and is still doing, and Thatcher has been doing since leaving office in 1990 aswell).

What do people think, could what is happening to Labour, and particularly their dire showing in the election last night, mean a 20 year stint on the opposition benches? I do.

Max your logic about politics baffles me. !nuts!

In light of what has happened why on earth do you think you will be "stuck with the Tories"?

Surely the same rules apply to them as it does to Labour and if the Tories are found out, which I am more than certain they will be (media permitting!puke!) they will be out on their ear in the way you describe Labour will be?

The truth about their results in Ireland dependent referendum is already seeping out as is their links to the far right in Europe.

You never know the Whoops-a-daisy clan may even blow the best chance they have got to even get in. !laugh!

Nigel Farage for PM anyone !nervous!

Max the reason all these Ministers are quitting is not because of Gordon Brown it is because they have been caught with their finger very much in the Pie ... the gravy train seems to have dried up for these cunts and most of them have decided it is time to go out and get a "proper" job before the full details become public.

Why has this forum suddenly become so obsessed with fucking politics anyway - they don't deserve our attention the cunts ...

Andy. Party's who are disliked have to get to the point where they are seriously disliked before they are booted out, and time has to pass too. Labour won the last election even though they were hated (mainly cos of the Iraq War). The loathing the public has has to be quite extreme and to have been going on for a long time, you can feel when that it happening. We could all feel the Tories were going to be out even a couple of years prior to the 1997 election, like you can feel the Labour party are on their final furlong now.

So the Tories win the next election, they have a strong presence on the politcal scene, and the Labour party are in ruins. The Tories will win the following election largely cos of the momentum they had going forwards through that first term, and because the opposition is still largely in ruins. They will bluff their way through the following election, by telling the public how good they are and how crap the opposition is, and with the help of Rupert Murdoch's newspapers - and people will feel they have been short-changed because a few months into the next term they will break all their promises. Basically the Tories can quite easily stay in office for 3 or 4 terms even though they were only really liked for the first, and a bit of the second, term. The Labour party has done three terms even though they were only liked for one and a bit.

Reggie Perrin wrote:

> The current Labour government is a soft Tory government. They
> didn't change policies in 1997, just sailed on the same way.
> Gordon Brown may once have been a socialist even as recently as
> the 90s but Blair was always a Tory mole.

Reggie can I point you in the direction of the 1998 Crime and Disorder Act with regards to the bit about not changing policies please.

Ta

Be-Seen-Here wrote:

> This Labour government, even after 12 years, has never really
> got out of it's opposition mentality.

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Your best yet Be-Seen-Here. Thanks!

I've been reading the biography of Michael Foot, a reminder of a man of integrity who devoted much of his life to fighting for civil liberties and improving the lot of working people. What a contrast to the likes of Blair, Brown, Mandelson and co who have left us with a shitty crime ridden surveillance society where many have to compete with foreign labour for low grade jobs and are now so desperate that they've started to turn to the neo fascists of the BNP.