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So what excuse will Fergie dream up for this showing? Poor against a crap Birmingham team and losing to a team that cost less than half what Man U got for Ronaldo. At least Spurs saved some pride for London teams by winning.

Magic result. And so far (half-time) we're beating Barca 1-0 in the Camp Nou !!

Best laugh i've have all week!

A stark reminder to those who predicted "we will do just fine without that pamby ladyboy Ronaldo who doesn't track back"

I would love to see a season of all supposed Manchester United fans coming down a couple of pegs ...

MIDDLE OF THE TABLE FOR THE REDS THIS SEASON.

The departure of Ronaldo and Tevez was a boardroom decision driven by the Yanks and covered by "spin" with Fergie as the mouthpiece.

"If" the departures had been inevitable and for footballing reasons, the money gained for Ronaldo would have been spent. As it is, all the Reds fans have is a rather tepid Valencia and a past it, injury prone, Owen.

In addition, many of the supposed "rising stars" are out on loan.

Compared to previous seasons, the passing is ragged, finishing is non-existent and penalty taking has found its level at the Berbatov standard.

It comes to something when, last night, the best United player, according to Sky, was the oldest (Giggs).

No doubt apologists for the Reds will point to the injuries to Vidic, Ferdinand and van der Sar, but the defence isn't the problem.

I'm sure Bennett, Riley and Webb will come to Man Ure's aid when they need it.

Mysteryman is right. The Glazer crime family have fucked Utd, and need money out of the club to finance their huge loans. Fergie's had it easy so far, because they didn't need to find the interest till next year, but now they need the money, and Utd is a selling club it seems. A lot of ABUs will be laughing, but is it so good that a crew of American bandits can rape the biggest club in Britain?