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Thanks to him the music business is now made up of people who just sing and do not write songs and do not play instruments - those two things have been relegated to something just done by supporting people. Also, people dont work their way up anymore, they are catapulted into the limelight on these awful reality shows. I really think it is unfair that proper live acts that are playing in pubs and clubs are are trying to get off the ground now have less of a chance because shows like this dreadful X-Factor crap have got the charts sown up. I think it is particularly bad also that this show has 'bought' the Christmas no.1 slot every year. These pop acts are all very similar anyway, and this has meant the charts have no variety. The differnce from one of these acts to another is like the differnce between one brand of washing powder to another. What do other people think about all this?

These so called stars seem to rise pretty quickly but they seem to fall quicker.Maybe they just don't have the talent to go it alone without the help of Cowell and co.
I'm sick of these so called celebrities.I come home after work,switch on my computer to check my e-mails, and switch on the tv while I'm waiting for it to boot up. Last week I got Paul O'Grady telling me who next week's celebrities were going to be and I can honestly say I didn't know who the fuck they were. I don't watch soaps and I don't watch reality tv and I'm from an age group which only classed somebody as famous if they've actually done something noteworthy. Saying that, music is a personal thing and just because one million adolescent girls buy the new Boyzone single, it doesn't mean I have to --- thank fuck.

All Cowell cares about is MONEY! MONEY! MONEY! I wonder how:

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Elton John would have faired on "Plop Factor?"

"Too ugly to make it, mate" would have been the judges decision I expect.

max_tranmere wrote:

> Thanks to him the music business is now made up of people who
> just sing and do not write songs and do not play instruments -
> those two things have been relegated to something just done by
> supporting people.

Correct, but it's a sentiment applicable to any given era of pop since the fifties (at least).

> Also, people dont work their way up anymore,
> they are catapulted into the limelight on these awful reality
> shows.

Again, nothing new regarding the mainstream. You could argue that the pop video/MTV phenemenom of the eighties and nineties did much the same thing with regards to the immediate marketing of an act for impact and profit. For all the glitz, and as old fashioned as they may be, the likes of X Factor are actually less phoney in some respects, as they boil it down to the mike and the stage, and that's it.

> I really think it is unfair that proper live acts that
> are playing in pubs and clubs are are trying to get off the
> ground now have less of a chance because shows like this
> dreadful X-Factor crap have got the charts sown up.

Maybe, maybe not. But who gives a damn about the charts these days? Are they actually that important now? With downloading destroying sales across the board, most acts get their income from elsewhere - playing live, licensing etc. True, the mainstream music industry is in a shocking state, but to point the finger at Cowell's enterprising is to miss too many other factor's involved.

> I think it is particularly bad also that this show has 'bought' the
> Christmas no.1 slot every year.

Was there ever some golden era when the Christmas chart wasn't utter shite then? It's always been rife with absolute dross. Easily the worst time for pop during any year - and this includes the now deeply tedious internet trend of trying to hype something different in there to spite the others. (This year it's Rage Against the Machine we're all supposed to download to show 'em what's what. They're on Sony, just like X-Factor releases.)

> These pop acts are all very similar anyway, and this has meant the charts > have no variety. The differnce from one of these acts to another is like the
> differnce between one brand of washing powder to another. What
> do other people think about all this?

The problem with X Factor is once it's sheen is taken away, you're left with just another at best mediocre act floundering on the shelves (the over hyped Leona Lewis, say). It does not favour originality. It favours modern, polished cabaret, and plastic throwaway pop. It doesn't pretend otherwise.

Taken for itself, there's really nothing wrong with it, but these days anything that has wide demographic appeal, and gets 16m viewers, is going to get a staggering level of media attention spread across the press eager for cheap stories. It's this infestation that's the real problem.

Cowell & co haven't ruined music, but he highlights, and takes advantage of, the paucity outside of his particular sphere.

Stock Aitken & Waterman fucked the music industry 20 years ago, and it never recovered.
Conveyor belts offloading countless bland pretty boys and plastic dolly birds, without one iota of talent between the lot of them.
I seriously feel sorry for adolescents today, with the amount of dross forced down their throats dressed up as 'music.'
When I was a lad, most of the artistes wrote and played their own material, and the cream always rose to the top.
Robbie Williams and his ilk are all manufactured superstars who would've sunk without trace 'back in the day.'

Cowell is a twatt who is so far up his own arse that he hasn't seen the light of day for years.
Yes, he is responsible for the state of present day so called entertainment in this country.

Max you are so right. The rubbish the x factor shits out is killing music. I would really be sick if I wrote my own songs and music just to be kept out of the charts by any x factor song. They should ban the talentless fools.

Every one of these type shows has its day. I think X-Factor is in its 6th or 7th season now, I've never watched it but I think that was mentioned on the news. Sadly it will probably be replaced by something that is an equivilant so manufactured pop will keep being shoved in our faces for ever. My view is that the typical fan of these sorts of programmes are people who like real life TV - Jeremy Kyle, etc; read Heat and Hello magazines (and all the other ones that cover celebrity nonsense); and who don't have much of an interest in anything else. Mention to most of these people about the Lisbon Treaty or Global Warming and they would probably say "who's she?"

Simon Cowell is a genius. he is making money out of shit music. Big up Simon Cowell!

If he really wanted talent then he should trade that glitzy arse show and trawl talent nights at pubs and such across the country.

maybe someone should do the real x factor.

Ive been on the music scene a little bit in the past year and Ive seen some raw talent that made me think what the fuckis the x factor about? Pop bollocks and hype.

SC is rinsing it and fair paly to him. he's managed to single handedly get girls to actually stay in on a Saturday night that it is frightening.

Infact I think we should sign him up as an honorary member of UKAP for reducing the figures associated with STDs, at least where our business is concerned anyway.