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Those bearded traitors who stood there in their skirts calling our wonderful soldiers 'babykillers', 'butchers of Basra', and other vile things last year, were 'sentenced' today for their hecklings. A two-year community discharge (let-off in other words) and ordered to pay 500 pounds costs. Justice, hey?

These dickheads said afterwards that 'British soldiers have done terrible things in our lands'. This is curious: to refer to them as 'British' soldiers, not 'our soldiers' but 'British soldiers' - implying they themselves have nothing to do with this country; and also the 'our lands' comment suggests the hearts and loyalties of these protestors lies somewhere other than here.

If 'their land' is somewhere else could I politely suggest they f**k off and live there? Please leave this wonderful country you ungrateful obnoxious faggots. You won't be missed.

[quote]a never ending war against the locals in Afghanistan who would really rather WE fucked off out of THEIR country isn't a peace mission.[/quote]

You seem to know a lot about what Afghan locals think, Keith.

[quote]A million people dead isn't just terrible it's bordeline genocide, such is the scale.[/quote]

And most of it Muslim v Muslim. You left that out.

[quote]I think some soldiers can take being heckled, it's the ferocious locals in Luton that looked really scary.[/quote]

Stop generalising about Luton locals.

[quote]I'm not saying it was wrong for anybody to be angry but to say that the Muslim protesters were in the wrong and the reaction of the white tribe was acceptable isn't balanced.[/quote]

'White tribe'? What do you mean by that?

[quote]The shame shitty media hides the truth about the level of destruction and casualties our armed forces are really responsible for in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.[/quote]

And, of course, you can provide evidence that the media are in on this cover up?

You never answered my question asking what you meant by 'shitty western values'. I fear you may be becoming radicalised.

You call them traitors yet seem pretty sure they don't see themselves as British in any way.

Please elucidate.

[quote]It might come as revelation to you that we invaded Iraq and Aghanistan on a completely illegal basis.[/quote]

If you'd followed my debate with David Johnson regarding the Iraq then you'll know that I accept the Iraq war may be illegal. I'm not so sure on the Afgan war, though, Keith. Hopefully you'll explain why you think this is also illegal.

[quote]If we hadn't invaded Iraq those million dead would still be around today. Saying it was Muslim on Muslim and therefore not our responsibility is the coldest thing I've heard for a long time.[/quote]

You have a nasty habit of putting words in peoples' mouths whom you disagree with, Keith. It's not the first time you've tried this with me. Please stop doing it because it makes you look desperate. Please show me where I said deaths in Iraq were not our responsibility......and try not to dodge the question this time. It is also conjecture to say there wouldn't be killings and death if we'd never entered Iraq. I agree that while we are occupying a nation any deaths there are partly (not all) our responsibility, but when you're hinting at charges of genocide then you'd have to prove that it was something we did directly, or wanted specifically to happen.

[quote]You suffer from the same convenient non-logic and forget that most Muslims aren't radicalised arseholes but just ordinary people like you.[/quote]

You're doing it again. It's desperation I'm sure. Where have I implied that most Muslims are radicalised? This was the basis of your argument when you butted in between me and Peter when I tried to explain how a radical Muslim may see a liberal, gay-tolerant Muslim as 'bad' but both feel they're just as Muslim as each other. Perfectly accepting of different mindsets within the religion and a decent example to deter generalisation. You seem to have took that to mean I myself was being close-minded and generalising. You seem to read a few lines of something, decide 2+2=5 and then spout a load of tripe regardless of the truth being explained to you more than once. Again, without dodging the challenge, show me where I implied or said all Muslims are radicalised.

[quote]These people have a lot of blood on their hands, which includes unleashing a civil war.[/quote]

Unleashing civil war? Don't be stupid. Are you saying this was all planned? That our aim was to spend more money and lose more men by creating civil war? Justify you beliefs because is seems very far fetched to me.

[quote]The white Lutonites I saw shouting abuse on the TV in March 2009 looked ferocious. Where is the generalisation exactly?[/quote]

Because Luton's population is around 184000 people with, I'd guess, 85-90% being 'white'. I know you didn't mean 'every white Luton local', but be careful with your language because it can be construed as lazy generalising. And you wouldn't want that after continually, and falsely, accusing others of doing it (or maybe you would?).

[quote]'White tribe' means a group of white people acting in a de-individuated fashion.[/quote]

A rather unfortunate use of terminology, I feel. When talking of the Islamic group you used you associated them with terms like 'protesters' and 'empathy'. When talking of the white group you used terms like 'angry', 'scary', 'ferocious' and 'tribe'. I'm on you side against the bigots but you look come across very bigoted yourself, in your own way.

[quote]I didn't say there was a cover-up but our media only ever shows what's called 'the polite footage'.[/quote]

You said 'our media hides the truth'. That is a cover up. Check your dictionary. I'm asking you for evidence.

[quote]I think the above gives you a good idea of our 'shitty western values'[/quote]

Actually, it didn't. All it showed me was your own opinions and beliefs on a few closely related subjects; a lot of beliefs and opinion based on speculation and what looks familiarly like anti-western propaganda. Again, what are 'shitty western values'?

Once again, its the Reggie and Sam Show!

If I can interject this moment of horn locking. It might be worth noting that being fanatical is not exclusive to muslims when it comes to religion



I like Stephen Baldwin, talented actor and looks like you can have an interesting chat over a pint with but I cannot agree with this.