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One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:03 am
by David Johnson
It will be interesting to see how the BNP deal with this

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... ?print=yes

My guess is that they will refuse his membership on the grounds that he does not support the policies of the party.

Cheers
D

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:37 am
by randyandy
Can't help but wonder if the reply will be on the lines of:

"If he'd have donated money to the community and not just the Asian community there wouldn't be an need for the BNP. Singling out specific groups based on race just furthers division......."


The only thing joining the morons will achieve is putting an Asian name on their members list and his membership money into their funds.

The morons thrive on publicity so congratulations to him, the stun and you David for generating a bit more for them.


Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:53 am
by David Johnson
"The morons thrive on publicity so congratulations to him, the stun and you David for generating a bit more for them".

There are some, apparently like you, who believe any publicity is good publicity. I am not one of them. Of course using your own argument, your reply has generated extra publicity for them.

D

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:41 am
by number 6
Is this bloke the most stupid guy on the planet>? Asian and joining a racist facist party,what a mug.

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:47 am
by max_tranmere
I wouldnt know upon what grounds they would turn down an application, but this guy is clearly not joining because he believes in what they are about - instead he is joining to be antagonistic to them. What goes on at the meetings the BNP hold seem to have little to do with how many people vote for them and as a result of those high number of votes the BNP got two seats in Europe, large numbers of councillors, and so on. I cant see how the numbers who vote for the BNP will lessen, and therefore they have less seats following elections, just because people join it, turn up at their meetings and 'rile' them - as this guy said he will do. It seems that any number of people who hate the BNP could join it, heckle people at the meetings, and so on - that will not lessen the number of people who vote for them at the ballot box. Having read that article, I noticed that this guy, who is Asian, went on that Secret Millionaire programme, and 'gave out money to people in the Asian community'. This is just as racist as a white millionaire saying 'I gave out money to people in the white community near where I live'. Seeing as this man is a racist, he will probably be ideal for the BNP.

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:00 am
by David Johnson
"I wouldnt know upon what grounds they would turn down an application, but this guy is clearly not joining because he believes in what they are about"

They can turn down the application for the reasons I have already given - he does not agree with the BNP policies. This is nothing new. In the 80's the Labour Party banned a number of members including Derek Hatton, then deputy leader of Liverpool Council, who were deemed part of the Militant group.

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Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:17 am
by David Johnson
"Having read that article, I noticed that this guy, who is Asian, went on that Secret Millionaire programme, and 'gave out money to people in the Asian community'. This is just as racist as a white millionaire saying 'I gave out money to people in the white community near where I live'. Seeing as this man is a racist, he will probably be ideal for the BNP."

There's no pleasing you is there? Even if people give their money away.
The guy was brought up in a mud hut in Pakistan. He really struggled here in Britain until he made the effort to learn the language. Since his success he wanted to support the community he came from and people who similarly have a hard time. Is this so bad?

If Emmanuel Adebayor wants to spend some of his money earned in Britain, helping to build a hospital in his homeland, is this racist?

Chaudry has also been involved in Apprentice like challenges which he has funded e.g.
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/mi ... ticle.html.

You may notice some white faces in the pic, Max. Just to keep you happy!!

D

Re: Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:32 am
by max_tranmere
He is a racist, because there is a racial dimension to his thinking on this subject. Why wasnt he just as keen to help black people who are poor, when he was giving money away on that Secret Millionaire programme, or poor white people? To be more interested in people because they are the same race as you, which means by definition you are less interested in others who are not the same race as you, IS racism. Racism is defined as treating someone differently or negatively or excluding them, solely because of their race, colour or creed. A man who is Asian singling out just Asian people to help is doing exactly that. Imagine a white millionaire from Berkshire coming into inner-city London and only being interested in helping white people who are poor. It is exactly the same thing, and he would be called 'racist' for that. So, to conclude, this man is a racist.

Re: Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:38 am
by David Johnson
"Why wasnt he just as keen to help black people who are poor, when he was giving money away on that Secret Millionaire programme, or poor white people? "

Because he felt he had lost touch with his roots and wanted to put something back. And his roots are Asian as you would expect for someone who was brought up in Rawalpindi. That was the angle of the programme.

I note with interest you totally ignore (on purpose I guess, because I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are NOT totally stupid) the fact that this guy has also supported projects which benefited white people. I gave you an example

D

Re: Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:44 am
by max_tranmere
I read that article too, about the 'Apprenitce' type schemes and yes other people of other races benefitted, but I was basing my original comment on what appeared in The Sun article that you originally posted a link too. I can not understand how someone 'who is Asian and gives money to help people in the Asian community' is not instantly seen as having a racial perspective to their decision making (because they clearly have). It is so clearly a decision based on race, as I pointed out. As for 'wanting to stay in touch with ones routes' and to 'give something back' - there is a racial perspective there too.