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all the talk pre election about wanting to stand up for the poor and disadvantaged,now about to jump into bed with the tories,what a cunt

Labour offered PR on bloody election night, and every day until today. When it came to the crunch they baulked at giving the people what they wanted. Like the Tories, they're thinking more about their party's future than the will of the people. This just gives credence to those who suspect all politicians are the same. Terrible, really.

Let's be honest. If you're an MP that's just scraped enough seats using the FPTP system you're not going to want PR and basically boot yourself out of your seat, are you?

Labour bottled it, and the Tories never even considered it. The Lib Dems are the only party that want a fair voting system. The other two are happy not to break up the game of pass the parcel with our government.

"Labour offered PR on bloody election night, and every day until today. When it came to the crunch they baulked at giving the people what they wanted."

On what do you base this view?

It might be a good idea at this point to remind you of some of your previous comments.

"Clegg should tell Cameron to shove AV up his arse." We will see!

And your views on the Liberal/Conservative talks going well
"That's the way I see it, anyway, so all the articles in the papers about how well the talks are doing I take with a pinch of salt - especially if they're coming from the Lib Dems or Clegg himself. Of course, I could be wrong, and if I am I cannot fathom Clegg's tactics at all and must assume he's either daft, or a closet Tory.....or Cameron really will give in to electoral reform (doubtful)!" We will see, Samuel!

"Still, if Clegg can persuade Cameron to help close the tax loopholes for the rich and force a fairer electoral system I'll be quietly content and be willing to see how things go"

"Fairness and electoral reform are the big two (for me at least). If Cameron doesn't go for it then I don't see what the Lib Dems will gain from a Lib/Con agreement apart from cabinet seats, but that sort of power-lust would outrage Lib Dem back-bentchers for surer"

"I want electoral reform. I do not support any Tory/Lib Dem pact, or 'propping up' without that."

Given you say that Cleggie should tell Cameron to shove AV up his arse, we will find out if he has actually told him that tonight!!!

Cheers
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Cameron states in front of Number 10 that he aims to form a full coalition with the Lib Dems. So it would appear that the Blessed Cleggie is currently putting this deal forward for potential sign-off by his party.

If the only offer on the table re. electoral reform is a referendum on AV, Cleggie has clearly and completely tried to sell the Lib Dems and all their centre left activists and supporters down the river.

Cheers
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H he has succeeded David,Clegg will be deputy PM,but all theMAJOR offices of state that affect peoples lives and their pockets will be taken by tories.

In a way this is good news for labour, long term. Clegg has apparently thrown his hand in with his tory chums. So now it is clear as many have been saying for years that a vote for the Lib dems is a vote for the tories. So at the next election there will be no confusion about Lib or Lab and it will once again be a straight choice Labour or Conservative?
I am confident that the majority will go to labour.

Apparently,according to the Beeb, the Blessed Cleggie has been confirmed as Deputy PM, the Prescott role!

This means that whilst Dynamite Dave is away on foreign jaunts to meet the homophobes and anti-semites (according to the Blessed Cleggie) that the Tories are aligned with in Europe, the Blessed Cleggie following the diktat of cabinet responsibility, will defend all the swingeing cuts and weirdo foreign policy of the government at Prime Minister Questions.

It is going to be sad, but potentially hilarious!

CHeers
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[quote]On what do you base this view?[/quote]

From nearly every Labour MP's statements on TV from about 11:30pm, May 6th.

[quote]It might be a good idea at this point to remind you of some of your previous comments.

"Clegg should tell Cameron to shove AV up his arse." We will see![/quote]

Yes. I posted that when Cameron was offering AV and many Labour MPs, and supporters, were screaming 'why would Clegg settle for AV when Labour's offering PR?!!' Now we know it was just about stalling the talks between the Tories and the Lib Dems. Both Labour and Tories are scared of PR and losing seats. They've all shown their seats are worth more to them than the wishes of the people.

[quote]And your views on the Liberal/Conservative talks going well
"That's the way I see it, anyway, so all the articles in the papers about how well the talks are doing I take with a pinch of salt - especially if they're coming from the Lib Dems or Clegg himself. Of course, I could be wrong, and if I am I cannot fathom Clegg's tactics at all and must assume he's either daft, or a closet Tory.....or Cameron really will give in to electoral reform (doubtful)!" We will see, Samuel![/quote]

I didn't take into account that Labour were lying about real political reform. I thought they were progressive and a voice for the people; I thought they realised this was a chance to give us all a proper democratic electoral system that represented the wishes of the people much more accurately. Now, I see they're just like the Tories when it comes to protecting their seats. Progressive my arse; representing the people, don't make me laugh.

[quote]"Fairness and electoral reform are the big two (for me at least). If Cameron doesn't go for it then I don't see what the Lib Dems will gain from a Lib/Con agreement apart from cabinet seats, but that sort of power-lust would outrage Lib Dem back-bentchers for surer"

"I want electoral reform. I do not support any Tory/Lib Dem pact, or 'propping up' without that."

Given you say that Cleggie should tell Cameron to shove AV up his arse, we will find out if he has actually told him that tonight!!![/quote]

Again, all in the assumption that Labour's offer was genuine.

You voted for a party that was more interested in saving it's own skin than serving the people, not me.

[quote]In a way this is good news for labour, long term. Clegg has apparently thrown his hand in with his tory chums. So now it is clear as many have been saying for years that a vote for the Lib dems is a vote for the tories.[/quote]

And if he'd dealt with Labour people would have been reciting back the other bullshit one-liner that 'a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for Labour'.

All bollocks. At the end of the day Labour weren't serious about proper electoral reform. Don't blame Nick Clegg for Labour backing out of their original offer.

Hes damned either way he goes

I'd most likely have chosen his path as well because a tory government which relies on a minor partner isnt going to be able to implement anywhere near its complete ideological agenda like it was able to do in the 80s

Better to try and work with a government in its first term than a jaded & complacent one 13 years old