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Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:33 am
by max_tranmere
Frank Field was probably the only Labour party front-bencher who I regarded as being genuinely there for the people and not out for himself. Vince Cable seems like another one. There are many politicans who care about the public but that is usually a secondary thing, the key thing for them is career advancement, power, and having their huge ego's massaged by having high office and being prominent in the country.
Nick Clegg began to strike me as a power hungry, career orientated egomaniac in the later stages of the recent Election campaign aswell. There is something about that smug smile. Isn't it a shame the extent to how much these people are out for themselves? If I was in politics I would be there just for the country and the people, and not for myself. Very few are like that though. I think it was the singer Billy Bragg who said: "anyone who wants to go into politics should be banned from the job.
People's thoughts please.
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:48 am
by number 6
Yeah vince cable,man of the people,the guy who jumped into bed with the tories first chance he got.
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:21 pm
by David Johnson
"Frank Field was probably the only Labour party front-bencher who I regarded as being genuinely there for the people and not out for himself. Vince Cable seems like another one."
Not sure if Vince Cable has emerged unscathed!
"The plan by Osborne to use 6bn of efficiency savings to scrap Labour's national insurance rise is schoolboy economics" Vince Cable in April on the plan agreed between the Lib Dems and Tories as part of the coalition.
"Do I think that these big, big cuts are merited or justified at a time when the economy is struggling to get to its feet? Clearly not. Of course I would vote against cuts which would destroy any chance we would have of having a sustainable recovery." Nick Clegg to Jeremy Paxman re. the Tory planned 6 billion cuts in 2010 his party have just accepted in full as part of the Lib Dem Con coalition.
Cheers
D
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 1:48 pm
by Sam Slater
Yawn. Have you only one record in your collection, David?
I feel sorry for your wife/partner. You obviously have no concept of what forging a relationship means. Either you do everything she wants, or she does everything you want. Compromise is a word that is alien to you.
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:12 pm
by David Johnson
"I think I am on the record as having promised to abolish you, but I have learned the error of my ways in the last 24 hours" VInce Cable 24 hours after being appointed to the Business ministry which he had previously campaigned for its abolition on the grounds that it was largely powerless.
Cheers
D
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:19 pm
by David Johnson
Sam Slater to David Johnson
"Compromise is a word that is alien to you."
Sam Slater quote
"I would rather eat my face off then vote Conservative!"
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Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 2:25 pm
by Antoni S Chmielowski
My MP , John Pugh (Lib Dem) who I voted for, has no position in the new coalition.
I will be watching, but as he kept a Tory out, I will consider voting for him again.
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:23 pm
by Sam Slater
I didn't say, "I'd rather eat my own face than vote for a party that would try and influence Tory policies by working within a coalition government in the case of a hung parliament."
You're fond of bullet points and questioning me. Lets reverse those roles for a change:
1. Do you want your party to serve the people first, or serve their own party's interests first?
2. Would you rather have a left-wing political influence within a coalition with the Tories or would you rather have a Tory government with no left-wing influence?
3. Put yourself in Clegg's shoes. As the leader of a party, do you think you can best serve your voters by going into partnership with the Tories, and having a real say in how the country is governed or do you think you'd best serve your voters by allowing the Tories to govern alone with you carrying on the role of being part of the opposition and mostly irrelevant?
I don't think the above three questions are frivolous, or just made to score points. They're real, serious questions. I stand by what I said about voting for the Tories. This coalition hasn't changed my views on them at all. However, given my own answers to the above questions, and given the election result (along with Labour's realisation that taking a step back is the best thing to do for their own future), I think the Liberal Democrats made the right decision.
Complain about the Tories pushing through most of their policies all you like, but they'd have gone through anyway if the Lib Dems had not gone into coalition with them. In fact, all of them would have gone through.
Vince Cable is a twat
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:27 pm
by Ned
This is all you need to know.
Re: Self-less politicans...
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 3:40 pm
by David Johnson
"Complain about the Tories pushing through most of their policies all you like, but they'd have gone through anyway if the Lib Dems had not gone into coalition with them. In fact, all of them would have gone through."
This is not true.
Conservatives 306. No overall majority. Conservative minority government. If the Lib Dems and Labour party voted against, how would the Conservatives have got anything through?
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