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I heard that the Government this week quickly changed some legislation which enables someone to be arrested in the UK for a crime committed elsewhere in the world - in order to reduce the chances of the Pope being arrested on his imminent trip to Brtiain.

Apparently he is not too keen to do evening visits to places when he is in the UK because the number of Catholic Priests who could accompany him would be less. Many wear electronic ankle tags and have to be home for the 7.00pm curfew. A lot are also forbidden to go near schools.

This guy, the Pope, in covering up and turning a blind eye to huge numbers of child rapes enabled huge numbers more to take place - that otherwise wouldn't have taken place. He knows this and knows that if he had taken action a lot of kids who have been raped and molested would not have been. He is happy with that though - putting the Church's reputation before the well-being of kids. I wonder how he can sleep at night.

I personally think the Pope should be banned from coming here. They have banned people much less bad than him in the past.

People's views please.

You are misinformed.

Pope Benedict XVI has branded the sexual abuse of children and young people a 'heinous crime'.

At the end of an unprecedented two-day Vatican summit with Irish Bishops, the Pontiff said the clergy should face the present crisis with honesty and courage.

The 24 senior clergy were summoned over the past mishandling of child abuse scandals that rocked the Catholic Church in Ireland.

In a statement, the Vatican said: 'For his part, the Holy Father observed that the sexual abuse of children and young people is not only a heinous crime, but also a grave sin which offends God and wounds the dignity of the human person created in his image.

'While realising that the current painful situation will not be resolved quickly, he challenged the Bishops to address the problems of the past with determination and resolve, and to face the present crisis with honesty and courage.

'He also expressed the hope that the present meeting would help to unify the Bishops and enable them to speak with one voice in identifying concrete steps aimed at bringing healing to those who had been abused, encouraging a renewal of faith in Christ and restoring the Church's spiritual and moral credibility.'

max_tranmere wrote:

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> Apparently he is not too keen to do evening visits to places
> when he is in the UK because the number of Catholic Priests who
> could accompany him would be less. Many wear electronic ankle
> tags and have to be home for the 7.00pm curfew. A lot are also
> forbidden to go near schools.
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What is your evidence for making such an outlandish statement

The religions of our world are always calling things 'heinous crimes' and the like. It's what they do about those crimes that tells us more about their character.

The Vatican says it will excommunicate women priests, for instance, and discriminates people who want to marry based on sexuality, but when it comes to members of their 'flock' abusing children....well....here's an extract from a Slate article on the matter:

"There are two separate but related matters here: First, the individual responsibility of the pope in one instance of this moral nightmare and, second, his more general and institutional responsibility for the wider lawbreaking and for the shame and disgrace that goes with it. The first story is easily told, and it is not denied by anybody. In 1979, an 11-year-old German boy identified as Wilfried F. was taken on a vacation trip to the mountains by a priest. After that, he was administered alcohol, locked in his bedroom, stripped naked, and forced to suck the penis of his confessor. (Why do we limit ourselves to calling this sort of thing "abuse"?) The offending cleric was transferred from Essen to Munich for "therapy" by a decision of then-Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, and assurances were given that he would no longer have children in his care. But it took no time for Ratzinger's deputy, Vicar General Gerhard Gruber, to return him to "pastoral" work, where he soon enough resumed his career of sexual assault."

That's right. Have the audacity to be a female priest and you're excommunicated, force 10 year old boys to suck you off and you're sent on a holiday.

Don't believe the Catholic, fascist propaganda, Essex Lad.

Today's Italian press is featuring articles on Catholic priests cruising in gay clubs. So much for the vow of chastity. The Catholic Church is so corrupt yet it pontificates uneducated Africans into having un protected sex and spreading aids. Dying of aids is OK but wearing a condom is a mortal sin. Get a life. I do hope Der Kaiserpope has no meetings set with The Queen or Mr Cameron and not one penny of tax payer money is wasted on this visit.

Sam,
Fascinating insight thanks.

Peter Tatchell is out to nick him and I hope he gets his hands on him.Of course he won't roll up at the local nick having done a Citizens Arrest but I love the exposure of ridiculous bollocks in all it's forms.

The Catholic Church ,IMHO ,holds some very strange views.

"The religions of our world are always calling things 'heinous crimes' and the like. It's what they do about those crimes that tells us more about their character."

I agree with Sam.

I get tired of saying that. !happy!

Max, on the subject of the change in the law, it still needs to be ratified in the House of Commons. The change in the law ? which currently allows private prosecutions on charges of war crimes to be issued by magistrates in the UK even if the alleged offense was purportedly committed elsewhere and irrespective of nationality ? will require the approval of Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer before a warrant or summons can be issued.

This change was discussed, but not implemented by the Labour government towards the end of the previous parliament as a result of plans to get Tipi Livni, an Israeli minister arrested in the UK for her part in the attack on Gaza. I suspect that some of the Labour hierarchy had the matter of the war on Iraq in the back of their mind, when discussing a need for a legal change!

Cheers
D

I imagine that was a factor in the Labour Government's thinking at the time, yes. On the subject of the rules being hurriedly changed this week, it was reported that the Justice Secretary Ken Clarke was busying himself this week to amend the law on this quick-smart. On a seperate note I wonder if Ken Clarke will EVER leave Government, every time the Tories are back in office he is back in the Government. Most of his generation of policiticans have retired now. He will probably be a minister even in his 80's.

I saw this on Wikipedia:

Allegations of institutional cover-up

German media reported in March 2010 on a former priest, Father Peter Hullermann from the Diocese of Essen, who was accused of abusing several boys in the 1970s and 1980s. He was removed from his parish assignment, and his transfer to Munich for psychiatric treatment was formally approved by the Archbishop of Munich Cardinal Ratzinger. Hullermann was subsequently allowed by the vicar-general of the archdiocese to resume his pastoral duties in the archdiocese of Munich. This was not in accordance with the decision made by the archdiocese and Cardinal Ratzinger to allow the priest to come to Munich only for psychiatric treatment.[130] In 1986, he was convicted of sexually abusing other children in a different parish.[130][131] Questions were raised relating to how much Ratzinger knew about the case and Hullermann's reassignment at the time when he was undergoing treatment. On March 12, 2010 the archdiocese of Munich and Freising published a press release[130] in which the case is described in detail (no English translation available). The former vicar-general "assumes the full responsibility for the wrong decision"[130] to allow the priest to resume his pastoral duties. On March 19, 2010 German media reported that Cardinal Ratzinger did not know anything about the decision of the vicar general: "It was his [Cardinal Ratzinger's] subordinates, the auxiliary bishop, the vicar general, who thought they had the priest under control.?.[132]

In early April 2010, attention was drawn to a 1980s sexual abuse case in the United States, in which Cardinal Ratzinger sent a letter concerning the defrocking of Stephen Kiesle that recommended "due caution" and consideration for "good of the universal Church".[133][134] The letter was described by the Vatican as a standard form letter, and the Vatican denied that it indicated Ratzinger resisted pleas to defrock Kiesle.[135] Kiesle was defrocked in 1987.[135]

I know the term abuse is a catch all but the reality behind what these so called men of god got up to would not look nice written down...however abuse does involve some pretty foul abuses of trust ,bullying and a total inabilty deal with lust.