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Do people really think beer will be allowed to be sold in pubs and supermarkets in areas with a significant muslim population in years to come, when you consider they dont allow Christmas services in churches in several such areas now?

Not far from where I work in London the local Church, for the last 2 or 3 years (and this will remain), can not have a Christmas service but instead has to have a 'multi-faith service' where a Priest, an Imman, and a Rabbi have to jointly do the service and are not allowed to mention Christ or Christmas at all. This is after more than 200 years of annual Christmas services there. This is for reasons of 'diversity', 'community cohesion' and 'cultural sensitivies' - three terms the Labour Government came up with.

Considering this, how long will it be until ALL churches in neighbourhoods with a significant muslim population do this? And I wondering how long it will be until the sale of alcohol is prohibited in such districts too. I reckon within 20 years. What do people think?

Max,

"Do people really think beer will be allowed to be sold in pubs and supermarkets in areas with a significant muslim population in years to come"

Yes

"when you consider they dont allow Christmas services in churches in several such areas now?"

Errr, who are "they". Names of churches and addresses please, Max.

"Not far from where I work in London the local Church, for the last 2 or 3 years (and this will remain), can not have a Christmas service"

What happened, did the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury ban Xmas in certain areas of London? What cruel bastards! I've already got a crib made ready for the manger.

"but instead has to have a 'multi-faith service' where a Priest, an Imman, and a Rabbi have to jointly do the service and are not allowed to mention Christ or Christmas at all"

So what does the priest talk about instead of the Xmas story, "Praise be the Top 50 Pop Videos on Channel 4. Hallowed be Humphrey Bogarde in Casablanca"?

"This is for reasons of 'diversity', 'community cohesion' and 'cultural sensitivies' - three terms the Labour Government came up with".

Did they really? I'm sure these concepts have been around for decades. After all, the fuzzy wuzzies and those blokes who pray towards Folkestone have been around for a long time eh?

"Considering this, how long will it be until ALL churches in neighbourhoods with a significant muslim population do this? And I wondering how long it will be until the sale of alcohol is prohibited in such districts too. I reckon within 20 years."

Never

"What do people think?"

I think you are wrong. And need to make some friends who are Muslims.

Cheers
D

Who gives a shit? I live in britain so I will drink beer and fornicate as much as I damn well please.

I cant do it in their country and have no plans to either observing their rules.

Maybe they should leave us alone and mind their own damn bees wax...Now wheres my pint? !drink!

Anyway, sod the rules I know a few muslims that like a good drink. They're just quiet about doing it

David,

St Johns Church, St Johns Wood High Street, London, NW8. I work in the Baker Street area very nearby.

I dont know what they talk about but I would imagine it is things like 'the holiday season...', monlogues that start with 'at this time of year..' and so on.

No, the Pope didnt do it, the Labour Government did.

By the way, that Church is located about 300 yards from the London Central Mosque on the corner of Regents Park. See how far you would get if you demanded they had a 'multi-faith service' with a Priest and a Rabbi there. You would instantly be called an Islamaphobe and run out of town on a rail.

These things are always the thin end of an ever thicker wedge. If Christmas isn't PC in some areas because some of the population aren't into it then I wonder how long it will be until alcohol is viewed the same way.

Max

http://www.stjohnswoodchurch.org.uk/pattern-of-services

Doesnt look particularly multi-faith to me looking at the standard services. Are you arguing that Muslims hate mention of Xmas, but don't have a problem with Holy Communion with the traditional 1662 Prayer Book language. And that Muslims are totally bought into the concept of Easter week?

"No, the Pope didnt do it, the Labour Government did."

If you are arguing, which you seem to be, that Xmas has been banned in this church by the Labour government, provide some evidence i.e. link etc.

Cheers
D

.....and then of course,



The swimming pools have got to be sorted and David, this has been reported in too many sources for you to pass it off as figment of imagination

There were a few Muslims in my class at college many years ago and most of them enjoyed a drink.According to them,they weren't barred from drinking, but alcohol couldn't touch their lips. So the first couple of drinks were sort of poured down their throats. After that they just drank the same as everybody else. A bit pointless really because they got pished as well.

Gentlemen,

"The swimming pools have got to be sorted and David, this has been reported in too many sources for you to pass it off as figment of imagination"

Do I think there are extreme Muslims? Yes, I do. Do I think there are extreme born-again Christians? Yes I do. Do I think there are priests who are paedophiles? Yes I do. Do I think that some councils do daft things? Yes I do.

Do I think that all Muslims are extreme? No, I don't. Do I think that all Christians are extreme? No, I don't. Do I think all priests are paedophiles? No, I don't. Do I think all councils are daft? No, I don't.

The point I am trying to make is that it is dangerous to generalise from a few cases whether they be factual or urban myths. So some women complain about the windows on a swimming pool, so what? So some churches decide to run multi-cultural, multi-faith events, so what?

I was at the Manchester Mela, a South Asian festival last weekend. Lots of Indians, Pakistani, white English people etc mixing and having a good time. Lots of face painting with flags of St. George on their faces.

And then you have Max. No Muslim friends. Never had a Muslim friend. Full of fear. And sits at home imagining some horrendous war/pogrom/sharia law down his road etc etc. in a few decades.

It is the ignorance that leads to battles between Catholics and Protestants and between different religions the world over. That isnt to say that extremism shouldnt be opposed wherever it comes from - religious or political. But lets concentrate on the things that join us together, because I believe they are more than those things that divide us.

Cheers
D

[quote]Do people really think beer will be allowed to be sold in pubs and supermarkets in areas with a significant muslim population in years to come, when you consider they dont allow Christmas services in churches in several such areas now?[/quote]

Utter tosh. You say 'they don't allow' but who are 'they'? As far as I'm aware it's not illegal to have a Christmas service inside a bloody church, at Christmas, so how in the hell can they 'not be allowed'?

[quote]Not far from where I work in London the local Church, for the last 2 or 3 years (and this will remain), can not have a Christmas service but instead has to have a 'multi-faith service' where a Priest, an Imman, and a Rabbi have to jointly do the service[/quote]

What do you mean by 'cannot'? Maybe these multi-faith services are something the local vicar, imam and rabbi have taken to do themselves because they think it's a good way of bringing communities together? 'Cannot' my arse.

[quote]and are not allowed to mention Christ or Christmas at all.[/quote]

Bollocks. Jesus Christ is a prophet in Islam and is mentioned in the Quran more times than Mohammed. Being a child that was educated (7-12) in a school that was 60% Muslim I'll confirm that I cannot remember one single Muslim child, spanning 5 years, complaining about the school Christmas party/meal/play. I've seen Muslim kids play Jesus 'fucking' Christ in the Christmas play with Muslim parents looking on smiling. I'm sure we've had this conversation before.

[quote]What do people think?[/quote]

I think you need to find better sources for your information.