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. At the SFC Conference in June this year, Anna Downing from the Young Lib Dems announced that her group would be pushing the party to accept a motion that would see porn dealt with in a more adult fashion.

I just came across this (not literally, of course) which has reminded me why I should never believe anything a politician says...

Here in Oz they are doing an investigation into the possibility of a causal relationship between porn (unhelpfully packaged with 'violent films') and violence. Maybe they should speak to Simon bloody Hughes who is obviously light years ahead of everybody and has established a "clear link" all by himself...

The Lib Dems seemed to be the only party close to taking the issue seriously. What a shame.

All very good. But will the Libs ever be in power? No. And nor will any reasonable party. This country is populated by Daily Mail readers who are obsessed with imigrants. They dont see wider issues because they spend their time rabbiting on about litter and other irelevent shite. This is a backward and conservative country.

I grew up under Thatcherism and saw the damage it did to the backbone of this country. Yet some arseholes who have never left the south still think Maggie was a gem. Sorry but I am on an O/T rant.

Anyone watch the BBC doc about the SAS storming the Iranian Embassy? See the bit where they admitted killing unarmed terrorists who were sitting with hands on heads because "maggie" said they had to. And what about the sinking of the Belgrano. Strange times the 80`s. That woman was evil and would do anything to make herself look strong. Sounds a bit like Tony the Phoney! But he will always look weak unlike Maggie. Puppy Blair follows that lunatic Bush.

You can walk in the streets of England and see billboards featuring half and fully naked women. Two gay blokes can even hold hands or kiss and mothers can openly breast-feed their babies. Then there's the local newspapers advertising massage parlours in the back pages and lap-dancing clubs just across the road from most fast food places. All this in the public domain...
BUT if I want to buy "adult" movies for my personal pleasure I have to go to licensed sex shops! There is still some sort of stigma attached with even that. If a member of the public sees you entering such a building they think you're a pervert. And they call this free country?
I don't bother voting anymore.

The Times serialised a book this week by a prominent evolutionary psychologist which completely debunked the
'violence is facilitated by violent imagery' nonsense.
Pity he didn't also look at porn.....

Brian Appleyard in Aug 25 Sunday Times 'Culture' magazine talked about the book 'Porno' by Irvine Welsh.

"Catherine Millet had talked in her book 'The Sexual Life Of Catherine M' that porn was about the promise of human happiness.
Brian goes on to say,
'Well dream on Catherine, and I've got news for you, Irvine (Irvine Welsh): everybody is born wanting to rape and kill.

The great naturalist EO Wilson has said that 'if hamadryas baboons had nuclear weapons, they would destroy the world in a week'. Similarly, if human babies had the strength and the tools, as any objective parent should know, they'd be raping and killing all over the place. But most of them don't get the chance; we civilise them before they can get going."




Is this a classic example of mixed up thinking?
Symptoms: quote an expert, baboons are like children(analogy which seems okay until you think about it) - how would a baboon know what to do with 'nuclear weapons'?

I think that now porn is legal to buy in the UK, it will not be long before people sell the stuff over the net and in shops without a licence, in the same way supermarkets said stuff it and opened on Sundays.

For the likes of Private, they have enough cash to risk a few law suites. It would soon become pointless to prosecute.

Lets face it, its now (almost) legal to buy certain drugs on the street, so, it is daft to say, ok to buy drugs, not ok to buy porn.

As was said, at the moment lib-dems may not get in, but as long as they bring up the subject, it does make it public.

I would say in less than 10 years, you will be able to buy porn in your local shop no problems. After all, if porn does become big business, people will sell it regardless, and risk a fine.

Yeah, it's all bollocks. We are what we are and as soon as we get down to accepting that then we can move on to tackling any perceived problems which flow from that. Hey, we are all the people that cheered as the Christians got fed to the lions; we are all the people that enthusiastically gathered at Tyburn, we are all the people that murdered the Jews and the Bosnians. That is who human beings are. Had we been born in a different time and a different place we would all have been cheering or at least going along with it. So let's not pretend otherwise. We are not good we are not bad, we are what we are and which films or TV programs we watch will not change that one jot.

A lot of the 'sex 'n' violence' whiners are either religious nutcases or insincere chancers just jocking for political position - they just say what they think they need to say to look like responsible contenders for power - which could be the reason Simon Hughes is publicly saying to younger party members "Whoa, hold on a minute - maybe your new policy suggestions are TOO liberal" Simon Hughes is very much jocking for the top job in the Lib Dems, if not the top job in the country - he cannot be seen to be too controversial as that would give his opponents a big stick to electorally beat him with. Same with Cannabis, even a Lib Dem party leader cannot come out and publicly call for legalisation as it would frighten middle England (any change frightens middle England) so they leave it to their soldiers who do not have electoral seats to protect to suggest anything remotely radical. This is one of the reasons that Lib Dem policy pronouncements on the past 20 years have seemed more Socialist than Liberal ? calling for more to be spent on Education instead of demanding freedom ? in the form of full legalisation of porn and weed.

The problem with politics at the moment is that the three main parties are all tying to occupy the same centre ground, none of them dare venture to far away for fear of drawing the wrath of the Daily Mail or Currant Bun, which are owned by quite conservative elderly gents. These conservative elderly gents have a HUGE influence on any government?s policy. The three main parties are so similar in their stated policies that they could all merge tomorrow and simply call themselves "The Establishment" who's main policy is the maintaining of the status quo.

Officer Dibble.

Hey Allan, Haven't you noticed? People have been selling porn since time immemorial without feeling the slightest need to obtain "a licence." And who pray would prosecuting Private and why would they do that?

Also, porn is big business, but it's becoming smaller of late. And people will continue to sell it even on the pain of public execution.

Officer Dibble.

To pirate Reginald Hill, 'days of swine and Porsches'.

Dear Magoo,

Fuck off to North Korea if you don't like it here, and take Tony Ben with you.

And no I don't think we should attack Iraq before you start.