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ravis wrote:

> My questions for him would be-why did you back these leaders
> knowing they had lost touch & defended them at every turn? Why
> didn't you & Brown try everything to form a coalition party
> with the Lib Dems & a minority party?

Simples the Limp Dems wanted to be Tory bum buddies !laugh!

Why would they want to form a coalition party with the lib dems,most of us knew the lib dems were tories in disguise way before the last election. Keep up the good work Ed you are leading in the polls and hopefully on your way to sending this fucking shower of a govt into oblivion.

I got a leaflet about a meeting in the Blackpool area as part of a review process going on throughout the country that the Labour party are holding. There was a website as part of that exercise which could be used to get people's views on policy areas instead of filling in a leaflet and sending it off.

The information I received was more in the tone of the Labour government did some good things and some less good and we are interested in your views rather than a "Labour lost their way under Blair & Brown" type message.

"he wants to listen to people & he wants us to send him ideas-maybe because he doesn't seem to have any."

I suppose politicians are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If politicians ask people for policy ideas, some people will say "Well that's what we elected you for!". If they don't ask for feedback, supporters will tend to say that "you are only interested in our views just before an election on the doorstep". They can't win.

"My questions for him would be-why did you back these leaders knowing they had lost touch & defended them at every turn? "

Keep in mind, Ed Miliband has only been in Parliament as an MP since 2005. Before that basically he was a speechwriter so it is unlikely I would have thought that his political views would have carried that much weight particularly with single-minded party leaders such as Blair and Brown. I suppose he could have left on the basis that he didn't agree with some of the policies but that is a very tough thing to do when you are just starting out in your political career. You are potentially bringing your career to an end before it has started when your views don't carry much weight either way.

"Why didn't you & Brown try everything to form a coalition party with the Lib Dems & a minority party?"

Well, I think you could argue that Labour had had a really heavy election loss. Not as heavy as it could have been because the Tories didn't have an overall majority, but Labour had still lost shedloads of seats and it would have been very difficult to have hung on in power with a very slight majority based on a rainbow coalition of Plaid Cymru, Green, Independent, Lib Dems etc etc.

The more important reason is that the Lib Dem party which I thought even prior to the election, had been hijacked by people such as Clegg, Alexander and Laws who are basically Tories. They had much more in common with the Tories than Labour and their subsequent actions in power in terms of supporting the most vile Tory led government in a generation, merely support that view.

Cheers
D

"Why didn't you & Brown try everything to form a coalition party with the Lib Dems & a minority party?"

More to the point why didn`t they get the fuck rid of the one eyed honey monster months before the election. Say what you want but they`d have still won the last election if Blair had been Prime Minister. No one wanted Brown, even leaders and cabinets from other countries wanted fuck all to do with him.

I`ve already had my phone call from the "Sell UK down the river for white guilt party" whilst I was at work. Aparently they didn`t sound too happy when my mom told that I`d been a labour supporter since 18 and had now voted Tory, because seeing as I wasn`t a a minority of any description, Nu Labour had nothing to offer me. And that I`d consider changing my vote back to Labout if they executed lying feminazi Harriet Harperson on TV.

"Say what you want but they`d have still won the last election if Blair had been Prime Minister."

Obviously, pure guesswork on your part. Given that this was the worst global recession in living memory it would have been quite difficult for any British government to have stayed in power, particularly when they had already won the previous three elections and people were more likely to be looking for a change with the backdrop of a bad economic position.

"No one wanted Brown, even leaders and cabinets from other countries wanted fuck all to do with him."

What evidence have you got to support this?

"Aparently they didn`t sound too happy when my mom told that I`d been a labour supporter since 18 and had now voted Tory, because seeing as I wasn`t a a minority of any description, Nu Labour had nothing to offer me."

This doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying you voted Tory at the last election after voting Labour since you were 18? That is what you appear to be saying. A strange view given that the architect of New Labour, "the party that had nothing to offer me" was one, Tony Blair.

"because seeing as I wasn`t a a minority of any description, Nu Labour had nothing to offer me. "

Obviously Labour made mistakes over immigration if that is what you are referring to.

But they also brought in the minimum wage, the winter fuel allowance, the disability discrimination law, increased maternity pay, expanded the number of university places substantially, brought in the Surestart scheme, had the shortest waiting lists in NHS history and the highest public satisfaction rates in the NHS etc etc.

Maybe you think of yourself as some kind of "minority" who is never going to get sick, have children, need an education, get old or suffer from any disability at any point in your life?

If so, I can only say you appear to be a tad over-optimistic about how your life might pan out.

Cheers
D

PS Quick note for Jimslip. This isn't to say everything was wonderful under Labour. It certainly wasn't with the Iraq disaster, Afghanistan embroilment, measures on civil liberties, the 10p tax rate, no restriction on Polish immigration in the interim period etc etc.

Ok Jim?

David I am surprised you even bother replying to post like that at times.

'I was Labour and was for years but now I've seen the light I am Tory' people just aren't worth bothering with.

They still can't get it into their heads that Green Dave (he is still Green call me Dave isn't he?) said he would match Labours spending until things went tits up.

So if Dave had been in when the banking crisis happened there still would have been a !shitstorm!

It's a bit like their 'great political skills being shown now on Libya' which have only been learned through the disaster of Iraq now Afghanistan.

!idontbelieveit! !nuts! !puke!

"David I am surprised you even bother replying to post like that at times."

You may well be right. I wonder that myself sometimes.

Cheers
D

They didn't dump Broon because they are a bunch of fucking useless wankers who deserve a few years in purgatory.

I've not had one of these, but will look out for it. So he claims Labour lost its way under Blair and Brown? No kidding. What troubles me was what was done is irreversible and the effects will be felt forever, and I mean literally forever. Allowing between 4-6 million immigrants come here, the highest immigration for over 1,000 years, is unforgivable. Even Ed Milliband has now stated that it was wrong.