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I read this police report which must surely be a complete invention by Tory inspired rabble rousers??

What do the righteous folk of the BGAFD think?

Shhh...don't mention foreigners, Jim. People might think you're R-A-C-I-S-T.

It doesn't really matter what facts we reveal. We've got our heads buried in the sand, no one wants to accept the ugliness that's right in front of them. The truth is too frightening. Better to live in a world of BGT and Georgie Shore.

Hi

Don't be coy, Jimbo. Tell us what YOU think. What does the article mean for you?

But since you ask "What do the righteous folk of the BGAFD think?"

I think you should:

1. Go away and read the article.
2. Use your brain.
3. Come back and post what the result of your brain work is.

Personally I can't wait!

Cheers
D

Jimbo,

I read this police report below which must surely be a complete invention by Tory inspired rabble rousers??

What do the righteous folk of the BGAFD think?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... olice.html

Now the really shocking thing about this report, is as follows:

1. If the foreigners do 20% of the crime in London, who does all the rest?
2. Given as we know Max Tranmere is completely surrounded in his gaff by disloyal Muslims from the Middle East, it is blatantly obvious.....
3. Max Tranmere must be responsible for up to 80% of the crime in his manor.

Do you get my logic, Jimbo? Beyond question, eh?

So I ask our brave forumites, is the Max Tranmere, one man London crime extravaganza, one of the great questions which must never be discussed?

What do you think forumites?

CHeers
D

!oops!!oops!!oops!

So Jimbo, are you going to read the article, use your brain power and tell us whether you think the article is reliable or not?

After all, this is the opposite of the !oops! icon, isn't it?

My money is on you hiding away.

If you do, it will confirm to forumites that you are behaving like an empty bag of wind on this thread, that you yourself started. How gutless can that be? How terrified of debate can you be?

Eh? !wink!

Cheers
D

So in your Politically Corrected, lobotomised brain, if the report said there were NO FOREIGNERS responsible for ANY crime, you would say the report was, "Reliable?"

You dispute the report because it doesn't fit into you narrow, prejudiced, deluded, little mindset of propagandist Socialist claptrap you slavishly believe in.

You really are full of PC shit, it's made you totally blinded to any truth. God help us if people like you ever get any real power. Even the New Labour hierarchy must laugh about people like you, at their swish dinner parties. They'd think of you as, "Cannon fodder" and pamphlet pushers and never to be actually entrusted with any real responsibility. You're an anachronism.!yawn!

Jimbo,

You are an ongoing disappointment to me. I put in a very simple request e.g.

1. Go away and read the article.
2. Use your brain.
3. Come back and post what the result of your brain work is.

And all I get is stuff about what you think I believe. You seem to struggle understanding very basic English!

Anyway you appear to be convinced by the content of the Telegraph's article. So lets have a look at it. These are the sorts of thought processes I expected you to go through when I asked you to do a bit of thinking. What a dummy I am to expect that, eh?

First is it realistic to talk about a huge increase in crime from foreigners as if it is a crimewave?

To be honest, I haven't a clue but I wouldn't be convinced by this article, for the following reasons:

1."120 per cent rise in the number of non-Britons arrested, charged or convicted of offences between 2003 and 2008. "

What does this actually mean "arrested, charged or convicted" re. the figures? It would be useful to know how many had actually been convicted. Or are we assuming guilt if someon is arrested? The other thing that comes to mind is does this include visa overstays, illegal immigrant arrests, asylum cases etc?

2. For example, the report points out that during the period 2003 and 2008 there has been an increase in immigration particularly from Eastern Europe. Although they give very precise, though misleading figures for crime (see point 1) they are remarkably imprecise about the number of immigrants. For example in a separate survey of rural Cambridgeshire by the council "Numbers of migrants across Cambridgeshire rose from around 4,000 in 2002-2004, to a high of 8,700 in 2005/6, and subsequently fell to 8,150 in 2006/7." So if the numbers more than doubled in rural Cambridgeshire alone, you might expect an increase in crime figures, wouldn't you?

3. Here's another example. The Telegraph quotes from the West Midlands. This is an extract from the following report
http://www.wmro.org/resources/res.aspx/ ... ort_SM.pdf

"The scale of the recent increase in migration to the region is illustrated by the fact that there were 48,000 National Insurance Number (NINo) registrations of overseas nationals in the West Midlands in 2006/7,
compared with 23,400 in 2002/3. This represents a similar rate of increase to the UK average." In short double the immigrants. double the level of crime.

4. Police forces don?t have completely reliable figures for how many foreigners commit crime. All they have is a box for ?nationality? on arrest forms, which are voluntary and never checked.

Okay, Jimbo. Now run along and stop being a nuisance.

Cheers
D

As I have already pointed out that:

1. The report referenced by the Telegraph does not seem to make it clear what proportion have been arrested ,compared with charged, compared with convicted.
2. That most studies appear to suggest that immigrant numbers doubled in those places where they come to seek work, based on NI numbers issued during the period referenced by the Telegraph report.

In addition,
3. The numbers do not include illegal immigrants unable to get an NI number who are working cash in hand in restaurants, cafes etc and not on any system.

So given the points above it would appear that the number of immigrants has more than doubled during the period that the Telegraph report is prattling on about a doubling in immigrants "arrested, charged or convicted".

This is probably what you would expect isn't it, but I guess the headline: immigration goes up, crime by immigrants also goes up, isnt really newsworthy is it?

Instead the Telegraph and the likes of the Express/Mail etc prefer to make out that we have a bunch of criminal immigrants coming over here nicking people's jobs and creating a crime wave out of all proportion to their numbers which is why the Telegraph interspersed its massaging of the figures with a list of horror crimes carried out by some immigrants.

Like I said, is there a huge upsurge in crime out of all proportion to immigrant numbers? Dunno, but this report doesn't convince at all.

Cheers
D