Private Super fuckers series

[jj]

In part it's because there are so many Private titles, and when the
database was started the decision was taken to omit them [they are
already covered by for example, iafd and EBI] and concentrate on Euro
stuff NOT listed elsewhere.

Note: Adele Wiesenthal does NOT appear in SF7.

For the record:
Hostess: Vivienne,
1) Babylou- anal;
2) Sandra Iron- bald condomed anal;
3) Sunny Blue- b/g;
4) Gaby Black and Monica- DPs for both;
5) Megan Cole- DP;
6) Ann Kiray- DP.

[Hitman]

Private Super fuckers 7

[bunker]

As usual different names.

Same names
Babylou
Sunny Blue
Gaby Black and Monica

Different names
Sandra Iron = Sandra Ring
Ann Kiray = Anne Joy

Other name
Vivienn

One mistake in IMBD
Noemi (aka Jessica Angel, aka Megane Cole) is not there.


It is Dita (as written on the box) aka Megan Cole

[Walter Burns]

jj wrote:
>
> Note: Adele Wiesenthal does NOT appear in SF7.

Yeah, I know. I have seen all Private titles till 2004 -- except the comps. I know there are lots mistakes and lacunae on the IAFD for Private titles -- certainly for the older titles. I just don't have the time to check them. Last year, I corrected all then released volumes in the Private Tropical series -- or was it the Private Extreme series, I don't remember. I had planned to do the same with all the other series, but... well, you know how it is. New titles, new girls, new headshots, new user submissions, ...

[jj]

I wasn't blaming you :- )
The error's origin was probably Private's calling AW 'Sandra' who then got
conflated with Sandra Iron/Ring....

The Privates are pretty accurate [or consistent, at any rate] where Kafka
was reviewing them but then things seem to have gone awry. When my
Private list is redone I'll send it along...

[Walter Burns]

jj wrote:

> I wasn't blaming you :- )
> The error's origin was probably Private's calling AW 'Sandra'
> who then got
> conflated with Sandra Iron/Ring....

If you ask me, it's a mistrake to call Sandra Adele Wiesenthal. At least for the IAFD. Apart from the fact that the only spelling I have seen is Wissental instead of Wiesenthal, the name is only used for less than a handful of movies produced/directed by Mario Salieri, none of which are currently listed in the IAFD.

The alias Monica was used by Pierre Woodman and him alone, AFAIK.

In all other appearances, she was credited as Sandra and that, IMO, should be her primary name.

p.s. I have never confused her with Sandra Iron. But the first couple of times I saw her, I did confuse her with Sandra Kay, who was also new to me at the time.

[jj]

Another interesting point, there: some Euro actresses have adopted [or
been given] a fairly consistent alias when working in the US and another,
equally consistent, one when working in Europe. Which one should be the
'head' name?
And if a girl normally works under an assumed name but her 'real' name is
known, which ought to be listed as the 'real' name ? How many Hollywood
fan-sites cite Norma Jean Baker in preference to Marilyn Monroe?

Glad I don't have to make all these calls...

My argument against calling AW 'Sandra' is one that's been used here
before: onomastic convenience. AW is distinctive and unlikely to be
revisited by alias-givers; how many other 'Sandras' are there? The system
of adding to Christian names simple bracketed cardinals is logical but
drawn to its conclusion might eventually result in 'Sandra [74802371] etc.
etc. so anything that delays that eventuality gets my vote......

If it's any consolation, in the world of taxonomy the decision was adopted
early on to use the oldest binomen bestowed on a taxon as its [unique
and unalterable] scientific name; simple enough in principle, you'd think-
Homo sapiens and so on... but so many species were described
several times over under different binomina that the International
Commission on Zoological Nomenclature has had to establish a sort of
'Supreme Court' to arbitrate on the legions of disputes that arise every
year.... Apatosaurus has recently displaced Brontosaurus for the
familiar gargantuan Jurassic herbivores while Tyrannosaurus rex has
survived replacement by the earlier Manospondylus gigas by the
application of an eminently practical '50-year' rule.

[Walter Burns]

jj wrote:

> Another interesting point, there: some Euro actresses have
> adopted [or
> been given] a fairly consistent alias when working in the US
> and another,
> equally consistent, one when working in Europe. Which one
> should be the
> 'head' name?

I don't know of many such cases. IMO, Sandra/Adele Wissental is not one of them. We can hardly call Adele Wissental a consistent alias for her European work. It's basically a Mario Salieri invention.

> And if a girl normally works under an assumed name but her
> 'real' name is
> known, which ought to be listed as the 'real' name ? How many
> Hollywood
> fan-sites cite Norma Jean Baker in preference to Marilyn
> Monroe?

That's no problem at all. We will never make the 'real' name public.

>
> My argument against calling AW 'Sandra' is one that's been used
> here
> before: onomastic convenience. AW is distinctive and unlikely
> to be
> revisited by alias-givers; how many other 'Sandras' are there?
> The system
> of adding to Christian names simple bracketed cardinals is
> logical but
> drawn to its conclusion might eventually result in 'Sandra
> [74802371] etc.
> etc. so anything that delays that eventuality gets my
> vote......

True, but there is another equally valid argument. I believe there are now 3 films known in which Sandra was credited as Adele Wissental. This means that for all her other titles (20+ and counting) would have to list her as "credited as Sandra". That just looks silly.
I'd rather wait till we find a family name in combination with Sandra. For instance, if she was called Sandra Wissental, it would look a lot less silly to say "Sandra Wissental credited as Sandra".

btw, IMO Sandra/Adele Wissental is by no means the weirdest choice for a main name in the EGAFD. That honor probably goes to Barbara Neri.