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Fresh Jugs 4

What makes you guys think that this is originally a European movie? AFAIK, this is an orginal Zero Tolerance title. If anyone has information to prove the contrary, I would like to know about it.

Walter, I think you can say this of some titles that are found in EGAFD.
A lot of movies have been produced in the past few years in Europe and are imported by a variety of American distributors with American titles. Even the male and female performersare heard to say a few lines in English. Whether you can actually say these are "American" productions stretches the point.
Denys De Francesco does a lot of work for american companies, but are they rea;ly "american" product. Are the movie Roy Alexandre churn out European or american???
How do you qualify Private productions. They are shot by an Italian (Alessandro Del Mar) in a tropical location, with a mixed crew and mixed cast, and produced by a company registered in Spain....
Look at the movies put out dy Devil's Films and Heatwave/Channel 69, some scenes feature american performers, other Euro performers shot ever in th eastern Europe and "pasted" on to the movie.

Yep, it's a toughie....
...where's that King Solomon, when you need him?

Mind you, chopping infants in half was easy compared to arbitrating
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Len801 wrote:

> A lot of movies have been produced in the past few years in
> Europe and are imported by a variety of American distributors
> with American titles.

I believe this is different. This is not a movie originally produced by a European company and later picked up for distribution by an American company. AFAIK, this was produced by Zero Tolerance from the start. It was shot by David Perry for Zero Tolerance. If a European version of this movie exist, it is an import from the US. For instance, if this title were to ever be picked up by a French distrib, you can bet your ass that they will use French dubbing.

> Whether you can actually
> say these are "American" productions stretches the point.

I completely disagree. Like they say in cheap detective novels: follow the money. If an American studio is funding the movie and consequently releases what can be considered as the original version of the movie, than by all means it is an American movie, no matter if it was shot in Europe, Brazil of Timbuktu.

Your example of Denys De Francesco proves the difference. While it is true that a lot of his stuff has been released by American distributors, it was originally shot for his own website(s). He only has a licensing agreement with the American distribs (and IIRC, for some of them the agreement is only for the US market). The DVDs are not the original release of the scenes. All of his stuff was not only shot in Europe, but was also produced with European money and first released within a European context. Hence, his movies are European.
(Same is true for Raul Cristian/Chris Rollie and his distrib agreements with Evil Angel and Jules Jordan Video respectively. In his case, the difference is very clear indeed. Just check the differences between the original European versions released by Cruel Media versus the censored American versions released by EA and JJV.)

Your example of Private is pretty irrelevant in this discussion of European vs. American productions, unless you want to discuss the Michael Ninn movies Private produced some years ago. Shot in the US, with a US crew and mostly US talent, they are still European productions.

Walter, in porn as in other things it is quite difficult to follow the money.
I can understand when an American director goes overseas and either shoots with an entirely foreign cast or with some American actors balling local eastern european girls, and it is totally funded by the US company 9Red Light, Zero Toleramce, whatever).
What do you make of films directed by Christophe Clark or Rocco Siffredi which are distributed by Evil Angel in the US? Are they "american" productions? I don't think so! I think these movies are funded by Clark and Siffredi and are distributed in the USA by Evil Angel. Sometimes they are distributed in other European countries under the english name, and sometimes under a foreign name. Yet in EGAFD some Rocco's films are listed and many are not. Who makes a distinction as to their rue "nationality"?

You can make the same argument for traditional cinema. While to my knowledge the USA does not have firm official co-production agreements with other countries, other counties do. For the last 40-50 years there have been a multitude of foreign co-productions, and you can make an argument as to whether a film is Italian or French, or German if the co-production participation was 20%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%. Are Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns truly Italian? What do you call UNA GIORNATA PARTICOLARE (1977) shot in Italy by an Italian director and mostly Italian cast (Marcello Mastroianni and Sophia Loren). Yet it is officially known as as an Italian-Canadian co-production! If it was a hc movie, would/should it be in EGAFD??

I've wondered the same thing. I've never come across Fresh Jugs 4 as another title, i don't think there is one.