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Crossing Over (1990)

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:06 pm
by Len801
I am trying to determine the justification for this title being in EGAFD database.

It was shot in the USA by a total USA crew (director, producer, photographer, editor), produced and released by a US company (Intropics), with mostly US performers (as well as some Euro like Moana Pozzi, Eva Orlowski, Zara Whites). There was Rocco Siffredi too but both he and Zara were working in the US at the time, and Moana was going there from time to time to shoot movies. The dialogue was in English. As far as I can tell it was not a Euro production.
Is it because the movie was released in Europe, dubbed and under other names?
If that is so, so were and are numerous US movies being released in Europe with some Euro performers (and sometimes under different titles).
Comments?

Re: Crossing Over (1990)

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:10 pm
by jj
"Is it because the movie was released in Europe, dubbed and
under other names"?
I believe so- for Moana and Cicciolina I'd add a personal plea
on 'historical interest' grounds too, but I'm not sure if such
slushy sentimentality would wash with our hard-headed mods [img]http://www.egafd.com/forum/smileys/grin.gif[/img]


"If that is so, so were and are numerous US movies being
released in Europe with some Euro performers (and sometimes
under different titles)".
Indeed- and I think your former should [and does] open the
door for your latter. In my mind it helps if one mentally
underlines the 'Girls' in 'egafd'.
For relatively recent movies, I could for instance make a very
strong case for the inclusion of several Tommy Kaye titles that
seem exclusively Euro in content but AFAIK have never had a
formal Euro release, under any title: a typical example.


Re: Tommy Kaye

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:26 pm
by jj
..and the inclusion of such TK titles would rationalise
usages like the one for the erstwhile XNK3726: 'Name Anita
Iron used in a US production'- to wit, 'Ask for Ass',
which to all intents and purposes is a Euro film [and a
pretty good one, at that] which had the misfortune only
to receive a US release.


Re: Tommy Kaye

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:01 pm
by Len801
JJ the point I was raising for this title is that it is for all intents and purposes a US production with a couple of Euro actresses. Nothing more nothing less.
A lot of US movies (hundreds, thousands) have been released in Europe with American and Euro performers but are not listed in EGAFD, and rightfully so if they are US-produced-financed movies.
What makes this particular movie deserving to be in EAGFD?
The minute you start making exceptions for all types of "historical" reasons or not you start becoming inconsistent.
I do appreciate your comments as always, but I would like to hear from mods as well.
Moana made a handful of movies in the USA (fully US produced and financed), so if we put CROSSING OVER in EGAFD why not the others? Why stop just with that one? I don't get it!

Re: Tommy Kaye

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:02 pm
by jj
Len801 wrote:
> JJ the point I was raising for this title is that it is for all
> intents and purposes a US production with a couple of Euro
> actresses. Nothing more nothing less.
I agree entirely. BUT.....

> A lot of US movies (hundreds, thousands) have been released in
> Europe with American and Euro performers but are not listed in
> EGAFD, and rightfully so if they are US-produced-financed
> movies.
Agree.
As long as it's patently US in 'flavour'. For such titles as Tommy
Kaye's, or Carolyn Monroe's efforts with otherwise Euro casts,
then I may beg to differ, on a case-by-case basis.

> What makes this particular movie deserving to be in EAGFD?
As I understand it this, along with several other Moana titles,
was later released in Europe with a retitle and dub. It's a pretty
thin pretext IMO but one with which I fully agree for my [spurious
or no] 'historical' reasons.

> The minute you start making exceptions for all types of
> "historical" reasons or not you start becoming inconsistent.
I don't think punctilious consistency is achievable or even
particularly desirable- it certainly doesn't seem to be a
characteristic of the Universe in general [img]http://www.egafd.com/forum/smileys/grin.gif[/img]
On the other hand broad consistency is attainable- once, of
course, one has decided on one's general criteria; and that still
allows for the presentation of 'borderline' cases here for further
consideration.