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Intoccabili
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:42 pm
by jj
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Aside from Sofia all the other females are American.
The two unillustrated names presumably refer to two of these; and
IMO despite the director, this should be regarded as a wholly US
effort and removed.
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:49 pm
by Len801
But JJ, Joe D'amato made quite a few movies with US performers. I do not know where they were shot (or in what language), but I don't really think this or other D'Amato hc movies can really be regarded as US productions.
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:05 pm
by jj
Well, I did consider that; to me the sets looked entirely artificial,
so I assumed they were situated on a sound-stage in the US.... it
seemed to me rather unlikely that almost everyone was expensively-
transported to Europe when it would have been so much cheaper just
to put Tomato on a plane, solo.
Presumably US-financed, all-US males [OK, Pike's an Aussie]; the
only Euro connections are d'Amato and expat Sofia; even the Mafia
are just ersatz versions of the original brigands : -)
Let's be honest; the only reason this film was listed here originally
was because of Tomato, Sofia's pretty tenuous Euro connection and
the two Euro-sounding aliases. Discount the latter two, and what's
left to justify inclusion?
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:18 pm
by Len801
I don't know what to say. I don't know enough about D'Amato movies to determine where they were shot, in what language (probably a variety, considering the varied cast), or how they were financed. I have no clue whether D'Amato ever traveled to the US to shoot hc movies there.
What remains is that several D'Amato movies feature a lot of international performers and US (male and female) as well. I think that was to give it a sheen of respectability and international wider appeal.
As for whether US performers traveled in Europe at that time, we know for a fact they did. They showed up for a variety of events (in particular Cannes, where a lot of the Anabolic WORLD SEX series were shot). Sean Michaels, Don Fernando, Ron Jeremy, Marc Davis, Jon Dough, and numerous others as well as female performers did travel in Europe for short and long periods for a variety of reasons, and shot movies there.
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:15 pm
by Len801
Look it another way JJ. Walter Burns has often said "follow the money".
Who do you think financed the movie?
Look at its US release, under the title SOME LIKE IT HARD: Tip Top Entertainment. The same outfit that released other Luca Damiano movies like "Adventures on the Orient Express" featuring US actor Valentino (I think I'm going to hurl) and several other euro performers, "Barone Von Masoch", THE BRIDE by Bellocchio, DARK LADY by Damiano, THE LAST SICILIAN by D'Amato, etc etc. In other words an outfit specializing in the distribution of foreign movies. But quite likely Tio Top did not produce any of these. I would surmise SOME LIKE IT HARD, regardless of who is in it, is an entirely foreign production.
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:18 am
by jj
I don't know enough about the history, either. My argument
stems, I suppose, more from the nationality[ies] of the cast than
that of the director.
The 'WST' series etc. have given me much pause for thought in the
past as to their merit for inclusion here. Even though several early
volumes feature exclusively Euro girls [albeit often with an all-US
male staff] and are of invaluable historical interest I have
[regretfully] formed the opinion that they don't belong.
I'm not that exercised usually about excluding a film already in,
rather than adding an unlisted one- but it seemed to me that in
this case the inclusion was made largely on the strength of those
faux-Euro aliases, which I hope I've now demonstrated are red
herrings.
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:54 am
by Len801
My further argument for inclusion or exclusion would not necessarily rely solely on the nationality of a film's director, but other relevant factors.
For instance:
=Did Joe D'amato really work exclusively for a US outfit in making his movies?
=Did D'Amato make this movie or other movies for a local Italian outfit or for an American outfit (I am talking about a producer and not necessarily a distributor)?
=Was the movie production crew Italian or american (cameraman, costume, make-up, etc)? Usually, reading the movie credits might reveal such things.
=Where the movie was shot, and in what language. Usually the latter is quite revealing, in that even if the movie had a mixed cast of euro and american performers (doesn't really matter in what percentage) if the movie was american-financed the dialogue (i.e. direct sound) would most likely be english as US producers-distrubutors would NOT generally accept a dubbed version. Max Bellocchio shot a couple of films in the US years back even with US performers, but were not american productions, so don't let the cast or settings fool you.
=lastly, how the movie was released. By that I mean, if the movie was FIRST released in Italy, and then LATER picked up and distributed by a US outfit (not necessarily connected with production, as in the case of Tip Top) for US distrubution it signals that the movie was really produced and released in its own country first and later distributed in foreign markets to maximize its investment/sales strategy.
Re: Intoccabili
Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:32 am
by jj
I can't answer any of those questions definitively.
4WIW the US release seems to have been a year later ['96] but such
data are notoriously unreliable.
Anyhoo, the mods will make a final determination- I've had my two
penn'orth, so I'm happy : -)