Page 1 of 2

Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:16 am
by Deuce Bigolo
Was watching this clip of Vanda Vitus from 2002

Presumably the same private flick shes with 3 girls who do 3 guys in a water setting


Very early in her career I suspect

The clip sounds live not dubbed

Later in her career she takes the facial without flinching

All too often when i see this type of ending
it simply kills a scene stone dead because as soon as you see the girl hates it unless your a mysogynist the build up is wasted.

Its akin to a girl jerking off a guy for eons only to have him intervene
I know some say this is because the male performer knows what he likes best but I dobt that the whole story behind the facial...commercial realities
usually always trump everything else

Are facials the cant sell on without as anal used to be?

[IMG]http://thumbnails36.imagebam.com/16546/ab5022165453442.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails30.imagebam.com/16546/d832fb165453444.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails47.imagebam.com/16546/bdbeae165453447.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/16546/f7f40f165453449.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails47.imagebam.com/16546/6a9dbf165453452.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails33.imagebam.com/16546/6de5d1165453453.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails64.imagebam.com/16546/603c29165453454.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/16546/4aa15b165455229.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/16546/b9337b165455232.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails58.imagebam.com/16546/897175165455233.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails64.imagebam.com/16546/cbb0a4165455234.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/16546/31f5a9165455238.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails50.imagebam.com/16546/e6ebfa165455240.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails64.imagebam.com/16546/9e8e67165455241.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails30.imagebam.com/16546/b96aa3165455243.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails62.imagebam.com/16546/fc5770165455247.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/16546/e56f4b165455249.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails46.imagebam.com/16546/9fb50b165455251.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails54.imagebam.com/16546/fa9b48165455254.jpg[/IMG]


[IMG]http://thumbnails42.imagebam.com/16546/102058165453164.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/16546/4b6fba165453166.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails42.imagebam.com/16546/6d86be165453169.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails20.imagebam.com/16546/47060c165453171.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails66.imagebam.com/16546/06a7a1165453175.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails43.imagebam.com/16546/07364c165453178.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/16546/705db3165453181.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://thumbnails59.imagebam.com/16546/ba1ced165455526.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/16546/d07e52165455527.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://thumbnails44.imagebam.com/16546/f813f3165455417.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails54.imagebam.com/16546/25ff7a165455420.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/16546/adfb44165455423.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:40 am
by jj
I think many girls [certainly, most 'working girls'] would say that facials are
'personal', in much the same way as full-on kissing. IOW, reserved for the BF. I
agree that there's probably some commercial pressure [based on what market
research exactly, one wonders?] for them to take facials; and no, it's not
pleasant to watch a girl coerced into same..... synchronicitously, I've just been
watching Notorious Cum-Dodger Jesse V's scene with TT Boy, from 'Real Sex 30'.
She had said upfront that she liked it rough- and boy, did the Boy oblige, in best
parolee fashion. However, having already been given a good deal more than I
guess she bargained for, the kicker was the facial- which Jesse had earlier said
she didn't want. Of course, Idiot Boy ignored her in his usual viciously stupid
way, and she retched and choked copiously and violently.... they tacked on a
'post-event' segment where they were "all best friends", but the artificiality of
this fiction just screamed at one. If TTB hadn't got into porn, he'd now be doing
10-25 for rape; he's so obviously your textbook low-IQ misogynistic sociopath.

In the Real World, most girls can cope with the taste of sperm [although I doubt
many actively enjoy it]- I would be mortally offended if my squeeze-of-the-
moment were to express distaste for my manly juices by spitting or hacking
[especially after the half-hour I'd just wasted, munching her less-than-pristinely-
hygienic downstairs carpet, without remarking cattily on the variety of vaginal
deodorants freely available to the modern woman of today] : -)
Of course, staying in the Real World, I'd expect her to swallow it [with or
without relish]- and as we know ['genre' flicks excepted], one swallow does not
a porno make.
In porno, it's also impossible to hide the girl's surprise if the money-shot goes
'astray'- and we all know how delightful it is to watch her furiously blinking and
wiping, in the [probabaly usually vain] hope of avoiding pink-eye. For personal
preference, you can't beat a North Nuke shooting up from vag to neck; but of
course not many studs can manage the feats of The Beer-can. Failing thatr, a
facial with a girl who enjoys it [or can at least act as if she does]. Blowing
bubbles with the residue, or making 'yum yum' noises, are definite no-nos;
adults should not play with their food- at least in public.


Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 8:53 am
by Deuce Bigolo
Asia Carrera said it best for me when she said facial cum was like stinging acid if it got into your eyes.

Personally i have nothing but apathy for those that are doing it
not because it makes a better product but because they can

Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:56 am
by jj
It's an easy fix- all they have to do is ask the girl upfront if she's OK with it.
If not, think laterally.
As to 'self-cranking'; that's what edit-suites are for.


Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:56 am
by Len801
The "money shot" in the golden age of porn ussualy used to land on stomach, ass, etc. There were very few full face cum shots back then. Then it got "crazier" and directors used to include them more and more and the raincoat crowds began to clamor for more. Then came the crazy women haters like Max and others who simply enjoyed "torturing" women and making them gag on their cock. It longer was pleasant or enjoyable. Women in porn today put up with it, since it seems to be part of the game. Sure there are a few cum dodgets still around, but they far and few.
Nothing worse than seeing a girl basically turn away and keep her face away that the spurting cock, as it were a rabid dog. If I a were director and discussed the sex routine of a scene and she told me she did not enjoy facials, I'd say either (1) pack your things and go or (2) OK we'll not do it.
But bad enough as seeing a girl more or less close her mouth and eyes and turn her face away, then seeing the male partner holding her hair and face and making her take his facial. That is forced sex plain and simple, since it is quite obvious that is not what she wants to do.

Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:28 pm
by Deuce Bigolo
Creativity or simply changing things around doesnt seem to be the speciality of many producers especially gonzo

like porn by sex acts...tick all the boxes like your servicing a car

One wonders how many have bypassed b/g porn and gone the girl/girl,soft TV or webcam show route because of the MUST do acts like anal & facials
not being something they particualrly wish to endure.

More to the point the low number of scenes even well known Euros have done compared to their American counterparts cant be by accident

[IMG]http://thumbnails57.imagebam.com/16577/296953165760669.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails45.imagebam.com/16577/9eaf42165760671.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails60.imagebam.com/16577/96b5ea165760674.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails58.imagebam.com/16577/9e5019165760676.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:02 am
by Deuce Bigolo

Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:29 am
by jj
Like all pleasures, porn is subject to the Law of Diminishing Returns. In the
end, there's only so many ways you can do it; and watchers inevitably get jaded-
'new' girls and new scenes being the only partial cure I can think of. Couple
that with either incompetent directors or those with 'artistic' pretensions,
and it's no wonder so few scenes are actually watchable more than once.
I sense a trend away from 'routine' anals, at least in the UK. In a sense I
think this is doomed to failure; we don't really watch porn to see 'nice' girls
having cuddly sex with their BFs. If it doesn't push the girl to do something
a bit out of her comfort-zone then much of the frisson] is lost; and let's
bear in mind that, even compared to twenty years ago, today's girls are allegedly
more broad-minded in their personal sex-lives [note the qualification- I could
equally well argue that sexual conservatism is still alive and well in many
places, despite modern sitcom jokes about anal sex and rabbit-punches].

I'm not sure about your last claim; your 'illustree' Julia has 116 under her
belt at iafd and at least 100 further unlisted, to my certain knowledge.


Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:15 pm
by Deuce Bigolo
Yes but it took her 10+ years

The likes of Sasha Grey did a few more in half the time

Probably smarter to use the likes of a Gabriella Bond,Demia Moor
and I'll wager a plethora of similar Eastern Euros who lasted 2-6 years
made their 20 films and that was it


Amazing the diffence between the reality of film
and the 'maybe real facial' picture set


[IMG]http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/16590/59b942165896793.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails27.imagebam.com/16590/322e78165896794.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails65.imagebam.com/16590/087c69165896800.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://thumbnails29.imagebam.com/16590/c6520f165896801.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Are Facials really necessary?

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:50 pm
by jj
The other 5002 negs all showed her cacking it : -))