egafd.com

Once more I'm mystified by the 'business model' adopted by some internet
entrepreneurs.

As anyone who has visited iafd recently will know, about every third hit now
opens up the LJ homepage in a new window. Now, I'm fine with iafd earning
revenue any way they can- even at the possible expense of pissing-off
[admittedly, non-paying] users. But what do LJ hope to achieve from this
intrusiveness?
While a few months ago I had no opinion either way about LJ, I now hate and
despise them with every fibre of my being, for getting in my face when I'm
trying to do research.
IOW, WTF were they thinking? Do they maybe think that if enough peeps like
me get annoyed and post rants like this, that will somehow 'grow the brand'?
If so, it seems an odd way to go. Maybe Im just getting old and no longer
understand how the world works [or is supposed to work]...

I have always hated that LJ with a passion.
For IAFD to be associated with them is even more diabolical and incomprehensible.
Some time back IAFD had taken a decision to monetize their site by
placing for several weeks annoying pop ups which really had nothing to do
with the adult movie industry. I voiced my displeasure in a missive to the site
but was politely told that the negative reaction was rather minimal and they needed the money more.

Once they were done with that "experiment", in came in LiveJasmin. So it forced me to
install an ad blocker which they "politely" asked people not to use such blocking
software since it reduced their ad revenue.

If I was an infrequent visitor to IAFD I my not care that much. But if you visit it
on a daily basis and frequently it is outright annoying. I send them correction submissions
practically on a daily basis, and need to open several windows in order to complete my
message. I do not need intrusive and annoying pop ups and ads to basically provide THEM information.
So out of desperation I downloaded a free ad blocker.
The problem is that as with much everything else IAFD does not have a forum
where such comments can be voiced and addressed, so it is hard to gauge
what people are thinking or saying. Do they really know, or care not to know?
I have no idea whether IAFD still uses LiveJasmin, as my software blocks everything emanating
from there. I have no problems with appropriately placed banners or ads, but those
previous pop-ups and LiveJasmin crap just drove me up a wall.
EGAFD is not like that, EBI is not like that and IMDB is not like that. I don't know what
drove IAFD to be associated with such outfits.

I wish LJ would just disappear. There is hardly an adult site that you encounter
in which that blasted (red lettered) ad comes up. I have no idea who really uses such service(s)
or how successful and desperate they are. For IAFD or any outfit to be associated with them is an abomination.

I suppose I ought just to have blocked it, as you did, rather than piss and
moan about it here : -)

No, I believe it was more than justified to air this out.
There is so much one can take at the end of the day.
But to be fair, Live Jasmin is only there to make a buck anyway they can, and
they do not care the least whether they piss off anyone along the way.
Essentially such ads are the equivalent of obnoxious spams. And there plenty of that
on the web.
What I find despicable and unacceptable are the companies that decide to use Live Jasmin
believing that those few cents that end up in their account at the end of the day really mean something.
For me it is a double negative. Not only does it drive me away from Live Jasmin or any
interest I may have for them, but it turns me away as well from the companies
that use them on a regular basis.
So at first I started to avoid those companies as soon as I saw
those annoying ads, and then when I could not take it anymore I began to consider legitimate
alternatives like ad blockers. It is unfortunate that good companies that we have
supported over the years have to bear the brunt of such a decision, but surely there comes a time
when you need to fight fire with fire. Sure we want certain web sites to thrive and continue operating
but certain decision they make along the way seem sometimes to be bone headed and not client oriented.
Nothing is free in this world, and we do accept a certain level of "annoying" factors to be able to access
certain valuable information. That should not come at the expense of completely turning off
such users.

Although this topic was essentially about Live Jasmin, there are other sites
that are equally annoying,, if not even more so. I am referring to picture hosting sites (which I will not presently name).
that in order to view a video box cover or screencaps of an adult movie, you are bombarded with several pop up pages and windows
before you finally get to view the image you want (if you succeed at all). Does it really have to be that way? When I click on the screencap sheet, do I need to
end up on another page where it says "continue to your image", and when you click on that you are bombarded with 2-3 other pages of ads, that
are often difficult and time consuming to close?

Why is porn infested with such slimy "spam" features?
Can they conduct themselves in a more fair and less annoying way?

With regard to the pic hosts, yes, the popups are irksome- but I accept that
in order to get free hosting I have to put up with, um, 'extras'.

I am prepared to put up with a certain level of inconvenience if I need to
access certain valuable information: locate an old hard-to-find box cover, screencaps of a difficult to find
movie/scene, etc, but when an "ad page" covers up the WHOLE screen, and to to try to click it
close, more pop ups and pages open along the way, I say they have gone way too far.

But why are such unsavory tactics only generally used by porn sites?
Do you they really think by annoying people in those ways, it will make you more receptive to want to buy
any of those products?
And let's be honest, those sites (sites/blogs/forums) that to view or read anything you need to "register"?
What have you bought, by "registering"? Nothing at all, so why do they ask and demand that? To get my
e-mail (which essentially would be throwaway and never used by the user). Really stupid tactics that defy logic.
I recall an old site I was curious about. I had no clear idea of its contents, but first you were requested to "register"
and then you had to post a "thank you" before you were allowed to view any of the topics of discussion.
So what I am registering or thanking if I have not seen/read anything?

You dont really have to put up with anything

Being the sacrificial lamb wears pretty thin when i see people uploading full HQ sets that runto 100s of mbs onto imagehosts which used to be on filehosts.

- the server costs because of this would be getting to some pretty silly levels i'd expect and hence we get bombarded with ads to pay for it.

The imagehosts should limit the size and reduce their bandwidth costs
not try and batter us users who only want to see the occasional picture
with what amounts to spamming.


The easiest ways i've found to nobble live jasmin from running is to


- allow the pop-up but disable the browser adobe flash plugin
then your left with one pop-up which is doing nothing but waiting for you to install the plugin....i leave it open and others dont follow


or you kill all scripts on every page with

no script - firefox browsers
script safe - chrome

and simply allow the sites address - right click screen - towards the top of the list - and nothing else

2nd method can be a pain because other sites have extra bits that are required to also be allowed for the site to run

think captcha codes on filehosts
codec plugins on streaming sites

Maybe my posts were not entirely understood.
I have been on the web now for about 20 years.
Not that I am a computer techie, it's just that I have seen the gamut of
spams in the private e-mail account, spams, pop-ups, computer crashes, computer
freezes, viruses that infest your PC, malware, ad nauseam.
Most of these occur when visiting adult sites. So we are taught to gingerly wade
through these sites sometimes at one's own risk and peril.
At first I did not even have virus protection. Then I was "forced" to buy such internet
protection. I never had to bother at first with ad blockers as it was a minimal annoyance.
I did not even know such things existed other than the minor ones that Microsfot/Windows
provided.
But I would very much like to freely roam through the web without walking into mine fields all
the time. Yes, I can stand a bit of inconvenience and ads and appropriate pop ups.
But excessive bombardment of pop-ups and several screens every time you click on something
is not the experience I am seeking. I understand that these sites have to monetize what they are
essentially offering for "free". So I upload a couple of pics onto a image hosting site and link them
to EGAFD so people can see what I am talking about. I am quite aware that such a site has to pay
for webmaster, server costs, support, maintenance, etc. However I do not expect such a
site to bombard me with all kinds of pop-ups and several pages of spam to finally get to view that pic.
It's overkill, and at the end you really want nothing to do with whatever services these spamming sites are
offering. You do not wish to purchase from a site that continuously kicks you in the shins. It's poor marketing.

I do not wish to call out the specific sites that are the worst offenders. But if a site/forum
has chosen to host screencaps of movies at a specific image hosting site and when you click on that small thumbnail, you get a page that
opens up and says on the top corner "continue to your image" and other pages open up that is being misleading and duplicitous, or
when a advertising pop-up covers the WHOLE page and even when you click on the "x" it will not close, or when another page opens,
and those m*fuckers have placed the image at the bottom part of the page and it is not visible until you scroll it down with your
cursor, that is not being very nice either. So yes, if I am prepared to play fair and to accept
a certain amount of advertising and perhaps even appropriately placed pop-ups, I expect others to do the same.
If I decide to take a swim at a beach I expect to get wet, but I do not expect tidal waves and sharks to be continuously up my ass.

I wonder how many of you/us would really use EGAFD on a regular basis if it used such
tactics.
If I can just go back in time say some 15-20 years ago when RAME used to be a newsgroup.
And (very good) adult movie discussions used to occur there. It was even moderated. Then the mods found it too
difficult to moderate that NG and abandoned it. What happened? It got quickly invaded by spammers, and soon everyone
jumped ship. So why is it such a good idea now to have IAFD join up with LS?
When I send a "correction" notice to IAFD regarding a movie title or performer, I do not place spam messages in that submission.
It is free, nobody is paying me. Would the volunteers at IAFD really enjoy receiving and reviewing "correction submissions"
that had pop-ups or spams in them? They do not wish to be spammed either with
a bombardment of notices by requesting a "captcha", and if you submit too many messages in a day, IAFD blocks you and tell you
you to take it easy. So is it that unfair if I use an ad blocker?

Iafd gives it all for free unrestricted

That might well be because without the end user providing info and corrections it probably wouldnt be what it is today.

When I think of other large databases many seem to either have
a pro upgrade paying option - ie imdb
or requirements you buy every so often from their sellers. ie excaliburfilms

Its either Ads,Pay,Block or deals with affiliates.

Personally i think Live Jasmin is complete overkill but everywhere it exists
moaning about it never does much good because the all important bottom line which none of outside know about is their gauge.

I expect all that will eventuate - blocking of ads & pop-ups and pop-unders will increase and the small minority who use LJ add to balancing the books
until the next serious outbreak of malware via flash Ads like LJ occurs again.

Last time they increased infection rates on some well known sites by 50%

Ads might be annoying but their also a big security risk

Len801 wrote:

> And let's be honest, those sites (sites/blogs/forums) that to
> view or read anything you need to "register"?
> What have you bought, by "registering"? Nothing at all, so why
> do they ask and demand that? To get my
> e-mail (which essentially would be throwaway and never used by
> the user). Really stupid tactics that defy logic.
> I recall an old site I was curious about. I had no clear idea
> of its contents, but first you were requested to "register"
> and then you had to post a "thank you" before you were allowed
> to view any of the topics of discussion.
> So what I am registering or thanking if I have not seen/read
> anything?

It is to stop some of the autobots that register on forums to automatically post spam.