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After watching a recent BBC documentry about illegal immigrants being forced to sell pirated films to pay for their passage and being that a lot of these films are of an adult nature then isnt it time that producers, models and maybe even fans made their voices heard.

The BBC documentry featured a boot sale just off the M25 near the Swanley Interchange in Kent which is one that i reguarly visit where you can purchase the latest pirated film releases including British porn for as little as a ?1.00 per disk, now being that even a small gonzo type adult production will easily run into ?1000,s what with the cost of shooting and getting a R18 cert it hardly inspires anyone to invest in the British adult film industry knowing full well that once their production is in the public domain it will be pirated, the main reason why pornos are a target for the pirates are because allthough they are not illegal but that the goverment has made it impossible to purchase them unless you visit a licensed sex shop as you cannot distribute porn legally via mail order and the way current legislation is going it may well become illegal to download porn in the U.K. where as over in mainland Europe they are having a field day.

Now as the Goverment are currently saying ? that they are clamping down on counterfeit goods then may i make a suggestion. On Saturday the 24th November there will be a lot of producers,models and fans meeting up in London for Erotica 2007 so why dont we get together and stage a short and peacefull protest outside of Erotica just prior to the doors opening when there will be a Q of people waiting to get in, the protest would be asking for a more level playing field for the distribution of adult films.

Everyone in the adult industry gets to gain if we can get the goverment to even slightly relax the overstrict laws on the distribution of adult films, for producers the gains are obvious, models will get more work as more money is generated and fans will be able to order the films that they want online, just a short distance from where i live in Kent just over the channel there are no restrictions so why should we put up with it.

I believe we could get some media interest by staging a protest outside of Erotica as the media are always there and if we contact the press beforehand informing them that people from the adult industry will be staging a protest on Saturday outside of Erotica then we may even make it into the News Of The World, is there any support for a protest because by just saying it wont make any difference will do just that, if there is no support for this idea then i will knock it on the head at birth, thanks for your time !bow!
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Planet erotica, I must applaud you for your enthusiasm but I feel the main enemy to all of this is apathy and complacency on th epart of UK producers who are probably too tired and bored to do anything about it otherwise I wouldnt be the first to be answering your post.

Pirates are a problem thats for sure, but they are only part of the problem and certainly not the solution to this problem. They are just easy targets. The real problem are the millions of people who dont even get out and surf the net getting it for free on p2p

I fear a general protest might bring us to the attention of the general public for all of about a day but lets face it, no one really gives a toss but the ones who are in the firing line: The producers.

Yes there is a union of producers over at www.ukadultproducers.com

If we were to do something radical about this may I suggest something a bit more dramatic. A public execution. Yes. Something like Tiananmen Square where a bunch of producers drive a dirty big great tank over the bodies of a dozen pirates then give ourselves over to arrest. Think of all the publicity and tv interviews we'll get for months as a result.

Kevin Spacey was onto something when he said in Se7en to get peoples attention you have to smash them in the face with a sledge hammer to wake them up out of their apathy which is why he felt he was doing "Gods work" (though deep inside he was having a fucking giggle at the thought people were buying into his reason for killing.

I have to correct youon one thing: the government are not trying to ban porn. they just want to outlaw possession of what they consider to be extreme porn which is defined in the new criminal justice and immigration bill as I quote:....Corpse fucking.

yes really when we had Pete Johnson and Murray perkins atthe last UKAP meeting they pointed this out to us in paragraph 6. I dont know anyone that produces this type of material. Do you?

Instead what they are trying to do is scare off any potential customers by saying if you download anything from a site without a BBFC logo plastered on it then you may be under scrutiny from Her Majestys finest.

In other words they are trying to legitimise their position in getting their hands on more money that will be lost from the R18 revenue of dvd classifications.

In short I dont think your suggestion will work but thanks for the suggestion anyway.

I agree Terry that one protest wont make any difference but then neither will doing nothing make any difference, once an R18 film has been certified it becomes legal but illegal to sell via mail order after all its only a plastic disk, some sort of protest would highlight the stupidity of this and why should the sex shops have a stranglehold on the selling of porn, whatever happened to the monopoly's commission, and i would suggest Terry that if you found one of your films being pirated around a boot sell you would be less than happy and quite rightly so, and around my way they are now coming into the pubs selling cheap pirated porn films dirt cheap so how bad does the industry need it to get before it stands up for itself !sad!

The shops are suffering too. There really is no straightforward answer to all this and I doubt the monopolies and mergers commission will even give a hoot about the adult industry...well not publicly anyway.

I ave found my stuff pirated many a time but if you expended so much energy into trying to shut everyone down you wouldnt get much else done in a life time. Take one out and 5 more appear.

Remember that scene in Matrix Reloaded where neo was fighting off all those Agent Smiths? You didnt know Neo was a porn producer on the side then.

All in all its a very difficult problem to deal with but like I said I doubt the pirates are any more of a nuisance now than they were 10 years ago. The real big problem is the internet where its being given away for free. I bet thats the biggest revenue drain making more money than some poor old chinese lady selling one or two copies out of a Sainsbury bag.

Last I rember i dont see those immigrants selling music cds for that same said reason. In fact everyone is suffering for it and the way i see it if Warners and Fox and record companies cant do anything about it what chance do a bunch of UK producers stand?

I think IPTV will be the big punch in the eye to the pirates on many levels as many big companies are signing up to this next form of delivery to the masses and believe me the powers that be are waiting in the wings rubbing their hands and licking their lips in glee planning on how they are going to rinse their share out of it.

I agree that you will never stop the pirates but if you was allowed to sell R18s via mail order legally then it would give you another way to market your material, well lets put it this way i would be investing a lot more into making films if i was allowed to sell them via mail order because i know the market is out there, but what is the point in making a film just so the pirates can make money from it, and as for a little old chinese lady selling copies from a carrier bag think on as its organised gangs and its being done in a big way, but not on the continent because the laws on the distribution of porn are a lot more relaxed than over here, so even though porn is legal in the U.K. it seems the only way to make money from it is to be illegal, well its a nice hobbie i suppose !wink!

Music doesn't get pirated and sold on the street in the same way as porn does because it's very easy and fast to download, even for someone on dialup, and you can find it anywhere and even if pirating is not your scene, you can find your music for well under a tenner in Tesco.

Porn is ripe for ripping off because it's overpriced, due to suppliers being so thin on the ground.

I'm not knocking the producers or the poor old sods like Alex L who do a great job selling R18s online, but when you can pick up a DVD of something quite recent, even a very niche appeal cult tv show like Ace of Wands, at a bargain price, even ?15 for a porn disc seems quite excessive.

Until porn can go mainstream in this country, it will remain high priced and be ripped off routinely. IPTV? I'm not convinced by that at all.

If porn producers want to help themselves (and punters like me) then surely the way forward is to investigate restraint of trade cases against the UK government?

I think the solution is for us producers to get together and smuggle some of our own orientals in to pirate our own gear and make money from it that way. If you cant beat em. Join em.

Though we might have our hands cut off at the wrist by a lunatic chinese man called Han wielding a machete and screaming BANZAI!

Ned people arent ripping off porn for free because its overpriced. they're ripping it off because they can much in the same way a thief will see your car in the drive way and assume he can steal it becaue..well you dont own the street it is parked on do you?

Even if you sold porn for ?5 on dvd...Oh shit sorry we do for abit less than that already and its still being ripped off.

As for not being convinced about IPTV can you state your reasons please? I reckon I've heard them all by now and I'm still optimistic about its potential.

I was right about the internet when we were all on a frustratingly annoying 56k dial up and look where we are at now with still more imporvements in the pipe line for the future.

Avast ya landlubbers! Arrrrgh!

Your right in what your saying the internet is the main problem. Lets say i wanna download some porn, theres one site i go to thats is *********.us. Shit this site has everything u wwant, Amateur, lesbian, fetishes u name it its there. All u got to do is everytime u download a file, u seed it back. Why should the average jo go to hmv for a dvd thats gonna cost him ?14.99, when he can get it off mininova.org for nothing. We all go on about how much the internet is great for a wealth of information, but theres always someone who suffers. I dont see an answer to this problem, thats unless u shut the internet down, and somehowe i dont think thats gonna happen.