Ben Dover - the slow demise of a legend?
Re: Ben Dover - the slow demise of a legend?
hi babe thanx for the welcome,
Re: Ben Dover - the slow demise of a legend?
u can nay say me as much as u want im sure mr dover is alive and kicking but take ur blinkers off and change direction. sometimes the road u came down is the best one to turn back round on.
read some world wide forums and get a decent over view. after all were a very small island.
read some world wide forums and get a decent over view. after all were a very small island.
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Re: Ben Dover - the slow demise of a legend?
I complemented Sandie on her perception and intution earlier in the week, and it looks like she?s done me proud.
Sandie's right. I have noticed that a lot of my porno pals and colleagues (god bless 'em) can be very blinkered. They only want see the narrow path that they?re gleefully hurtling down. They seem to reside in an alternate porno-centric reality, and they perceive the real world in the terms of shooting here, shooting there, DP, Triple anal, cream-pie this and bukkake that. They simply cannot comprehend that the wider world might not see things in their porno terms, might not share their zeal and enthusiasm, might even view what they are producing as pointless and naff. Gonzo - it?s something that sex fanatics and over enthusiastic neuvo producing types have stewed up between them, without reference to the outside world. Gonzo does not portray the real sex that real people experience. It?s about as relevant to real sex, as ?Destruction Derby?s? and ?Banger?Racing? are to real driving. That kind of shit just doesn?t happen on real roads, and everyone?s thankful for that.
To be a well-rounded, objective, individual you've got to be able to stand back and view the bigger picture - how does all this bukkake, ATM, cream-pie, triple DP, gapping ass, chavey bird, palaver look to an ordinary Joe? To someone who has quite happily grown up under the impression that sex is basically about fucking and sucking, and nothing much more? To someone who really fancies the nice, tidy, respectable looking, girl behind the counter at the Halifax? Could it be that ordinary Joes might feel a little alienated from all this gonzo palaver? Ordinary Joes, who make up 90% of the populace.
Gonzo is not dead, but it has become one of the living dead. It cannot die like any decent institution that has run it's course and outstayed it's welcome, as there will always be a few poor souls who will buy it and worship it. Indeed anyone who chooses to buy a contemporary porn film nowadays will be buying something, that if not gonzo, will be gonzo influenced. But as a genre it's hit the buffers, there's nowhere for it to go - it cannot go much further downmarket, by hiring even cheaper, chavier, birds. It cannot become much more pointless, perfunctory, or gross, can it? I trust not, but gonzo will live on, in a twilight world, undercutting the cast, cost, and production values of quality erotica, sucking it's life blood like a loathsome parasite, ensuring that it will never again flourish and enjoy the acclaim and glories of it's golden past. The future is dead, the future is gonzo.
Officer Dibble
Sandie's right. I have noticed that a lot of my porno pals and colleagues (god bless 'em) can be very blinkered. They only want see the narrow path that they?re gleefully hurtling down. They seem to reside in an alternate porno-centric reality, and they perceive the real world in the terms of shooting here, shooting there, DP, Triple anal, cream-pie this and bukkake that. They simply cannot comprehend that the wider world might not see things in their porno terms, might not share their zeal and enthusiasm, might even view what they are producing as pointless and naff. Gonzo - it?s something that sex fanatics and over enthusiastic neuvo producing types have stewed up between them, without reference to the outside world. Gonzo does not portray the real sex that real people experience. It?s about as relevant to real sex, as ?Destruction Derby?s? and ?Banger?Racing? are to real driving. That kind of shit just doesn?t happen on real roads, and everyone?s thankful for that.
To be a well-rounded, objective, individual you've got to be able to stand back and view the bigger picture - how does all this bukkake, ATM, cream-pie, triple DP, gapping ass, chavey bird, palaver look to an ordinary Joe? To someone who has quite happily grown up under the impression that sex is basically about fucking and sucking, and nothing much more? To someone who really fancies the nice, tidy, respectable looking, girl behind the counter at the Halifax? Could it be that ordinary Joes might feel a little alienated from all this gonzo palaver? Ordinary Joes, who make up 90% of the populace.
Gonzo is not dead, but it has become one of the living dead. It cannot die like any decent institution that has run it's course and outstayed it's welcome, as there will always be a few poor souls who will buy it and worship it. Indeed anyone who chooses to buy a contemporary porn film nowadays will be buying something, that if not gonzo, will be gonzo influenced. But as a genre it's hit the buffers, there's nowhere for it to go - it cannot go much further downmarket, by hiring even cheaper, chavier, birds. It cannot become much more pointless, perfunctory, or gross, can it? I trust not, but gonzo will live on, in a twilight world, undercutting the cast, cost, and production values of quality erotica, sucking it's life blood like a loathsome parasite, ensuring that it will never again flourish and enjoy the acclaim and glories of it's golden past. The future is dead, the future is gonzo.
Officer Dibble
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Original Gonzo was good, nay excellent. Gonzo today by 99.999999% of producers is shit. No doubt I'll be flamed for this thought but for the millionth time as a punter please, please, please will someone please produce something that holds appeal to Joe Bloggs cause what is being produced now means feck all.
JP (Bored to feckin death with so called modern porn)
JP (Bored to feckin death with so called modern porn)
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I think it's the term Gonzo that has become outdated. I see very little in common between the movies Marino and One Eyed Jack make for example, and the sort of movies you are describing which you mainly see coming out of the US - and yet both are called Gonzo. Marino and OEJ's movies (and Ben Dover at his best) seem to me to be the epitome of what I always thought Gonzo used to stand for - spontaneity, real people, real locations, humour, playfulness, hedonism, camaraderie and full on filthy sex. They are a pleasure to watch and make me laugh and relate to the participants as much as turn me on.
The other "gonzo" (such as you are describing) seems ritualised, lacking in humour or imagination, lacking in sex play, lacking in any sense of pleasure or the art of sensuality, lacking in any warmth or humanity, focussed on extreme acts but outside of any real sexual context, focussed on the end product rather than the process, degraded and totally sterile.
Either the term Gonzo has been usurped by a load of moneymaking producers without a clue, or some have lost the plot, or two trends have developed from the same roots and gone of in separate directions.
The other "gonzo" (such as you are describing) seems ritualised, lacking in humour or imagination, lacking in sex play, lacking in any sense of pleasure or the art of sensuality, lacking in any warmth or humanity, focussed on extreme acts but outside of any real sexual context, focussed on the end product rather than the process, degraded and totally sterile.
Either the term Gonzo has been usurped by a load of moneymaking producers without a clue, or some have lost the plot, or two trends have developed from the same roots and gone of in separate directions.
Re: Ben Dover - the slow demise of a legend?
Further to my last post I have to excuse Phil McC and Remington Steel from my comments as I have to say I've enjoyed every one of their movies that I've seen, perhaps the other may want to take notice.
JP
JP