Phase 2 of Customs Seizure

[joe king]

customs and excise:
Prohibited goods (that is, goods which are banned completely).
'Pornographic material other than that which depicts the type of consensual sexual activity between adults which can be legally purchased in the UK. '

Legally purchased in the UK.

Sal? by Pier Paolo Pasolini cert 18 passed 19 December 2000
Advice for consumers
Language Strong sexual references
Sex/Nudity Frequent, strong
Violence Frequent, strong, sexualised
Theme or content Frequent degradation, some torture.

on the DVD title 03,chapter 07:time 15:45
a woman pisses on a man. (this is 'possibly' fake - how do I know?)

Roccos' sex trainer - Rocco puts at least 4 fingers in Amanda's vagina.


Nothing is obscene until a court has said it is obscene (the greyness of which is as subjective as 'beauty')

I am not stupid (or want to lose ?10,000) either.

Anyone think I should phone H&E?

[magoo]

Legal costs will not run anywhere near the figure quoted. A bloke on melonfarmers lost his case and had to pay ?300.

[raw]

I'd rather still try my luck getting the DVD sent to me again rather than fork out ?300 and lose the case.

Robbing bastards.

[Cornish Chris]

Any of you "bigboys" willing to support joe king if costs are awarded against him?
Remember if he wins it sets a president which could be used in the future to your benefits.
Count me in for ?20, not a lot but if everybody contributed we could possibly get somewere.
Good luck.

Cheers Chris.

[Dibble]

Forget about the money, it's the principle. It's your freedom and that of everyone else in the land. I'm certain that's worth a dam sight more than ?300 quid! At this very moment there are groups throughout the world fighting for their freedom and paying with their lives! ... ?300 quid? Dear, oh dear...

Dibble.

[Snappy]

Bit of a dead end arguing the decision then?

[raw]

pay joe's legal costs for him then dibble.

[Britboy]

Possibly the most useful guidance on what is now considered obscene comes from the BBFC . Their current R18 guidelines allow/forbid the following:

"'R18' To be supplied only in licensed sex shops to adults of not less than 18 years
The 'R18' category is a special and legally restricted classification primarily for explicit videos of consenting sex between adults. Such videos may be supplied to adults only in licensed sex shops, of which there are currently about 90 in the UK. 'R18' videos may not be supplied by mail order.
.
The following content is not acceptable
.
Any material which is in breach of the criminal law
Material likely to encourage an interest in abusive sexual activity (eg paedophilia, incest) which may include depictions involving adults role-playing as non-adults
The portrayal of any sexual activity, whether real or simulated, which involves lack of consent
The infliction of pain or physical harm, real or (in a sexual context) simulated. Some allowance may be made for mild consensual activity
Any sexual threats or humiliation which do not form part of a clearly consenting role-playing game
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The use of any form of physical restraint which prevents participants from withdrawing consent, for example, ball gags
Penetration by any object likely to cause actual harm or associated with violence
Activity which is degrading or dehumanising (examples include the portrayal of bestiality, necrophilia, defecation, urolagnia)
.
The following content, subject to the above, may be permitted
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Aroused genitalia
Masturbation
Oral-genital contact including kissing, licking and sucking
Penetration by finger, penis, tongue, vibrator or dildo
Non-harmful fetish material
Group sexual activity
Ejaculation and semen "

If the videos seized fall within the R18 guidelines (it sounds like the fisting does, the pissing doesn't) then you should try arguing with Customs that the type of material IS legally available in the UK and should be allowed through. They may of course reply that "R18 videos may not be supplied by mail order", in which case you'd have to personally import the videos.

Good luck.