Yet another model who doesn't do adult work but ends up on one of the sites that IainT shoots for. Generally he does seem to try to get the models to change their names.
Not that it would have helped in the long run, but she probably should have removed any mentioning of IainT from her profile, and used a different name.
For models wanting to make extra money by doing selective adult work but don't want people to find out then shooting private work for GWCs would be a better idea... (Maybe she had other reasons)
BTW, there's video too.
xlollx Lolly Lopez
Re: xlollx Lolly Lopez
Aaahhh, did she give you attitude as well? I've been getting emails from people saying she has been very rude and nasty to them for only asking about shoot at this level. They email me thinking I took the photo I posted from Karup. I didn't as others have seen for themselves that it was Iain.
Yes, she does have this smug attitude. There are too many models in the UK to be worried about someone who gives off such bad vibes. It's good to have options.
Yes, she does have this smug attitude. There are too many models in the UK to be worried about someone who gives off such bad vibes. It's good to have options.
Re: xlollx Lolly Lopez
I think its some of you guys who need to look at your attitude, not the model.
This model or any other model is entitled to model to whichever level she pleases with whichever photographer she wants.
If she states on her profile that she only shoots to a particular level, then you should respect that, I would.
If she is saying she doesn't do a particular level then why are you even asking her?, no wonder she is being rude to you.
If I mailed a model who has clearly said she no longer wishes to do adult, asking her to do it, I wouldn't really be surprised if I got a rude reply.
As it happens, Lolly mailed me recently asking if I wanted to shoot her again, but told me she would only go up to nude now. I declined the shoot, but I wasn't rude about it and didn't complain that she no longer wants to open her legs or try to get her to do it.
Its her decission and I'm happy to respect it.
This model or any other model is entitled to model to whichever level she pleases with whichever photographer she wants.
If she states on her profile that she only shoots to a particular level, then you should respect that, I would.
If she is saying she doesn't do a particular level then why are you even asking her?, no wonder she is being rude to you.
If I mailed a model who has clearly said she no longer wishes to do adult, asking her to do it, I wouldn't really be surprised if I got a rude reply.
As it happens, Lolly mailed me recently asking if I wanted to shoot her again, but told me she would only go up to nude now. I declined the shoot, but I wasn't rude about it and didn't complain that she no longer wants to open her legs or try to get her to do it.
Its her decission and I'm happy to respect it.
Re: xlollx Lolly Lopez
You say this without knowing a situation? What is it they say about assumptions?? I think you need to learn to examine the facts of a situation before you start to mouth off about 'you guys' this and 'you guys' that. It's never too late to start Iain! Try it some time.
My feelings towards her attitude have nothing to do with the levels she works or does not work to, unless you know differently. If you know (as a fact) differently, please feel free to share it!
I couldn't care less what levels she works to since my associate and I shoots all levels for our projects from bikini up! So I implore you to get your facts straight before attempting to speak with authority. The 'her knight in shining armour' routine is getting a bit stale now.
My feelings towards her attitude have nothing to do with the levels she works or does not work to, unless you know differently. If you know (as a fact) differently, please feel free to share it!
I couldn't care less what levels she works to since my associate and I shoots all levels for our projects from bikini up! So I implore you to get your facts straight before attempting to speak with authority. The 'her knight in shining armour' routine is getting a bit stale now.
Re: xlollx Lolly Lopez
derrick76 wrote:
> You say this without knowing a situation? What is it they say
> about assumptions?? I think you need to learn to examine the
> facts of a situation before you start to mouth off about 'you
> guys' this and 'you guys' that. It's never too late to start
> Iain! Try it some time.
>
> My feelings towards her attitude have nothing to do with
> the levels she works or does not work to, unless you know
> differently. If you know (as a fact) differently, please feel
> free to share it!
>
> I couldn't care less what levels she works to since my
> associate and I shoots all levels for our projects from bikini
> up! So I implore you to get your facts straight before
> attempting to speak with authority. The 'her knight in shining
> armour' routine is getting a bit stale now.
>
>
"I think its SOME of you guys who need to look at your attitude, not the model."
Is the actual quote...and it wasn't necessarilly directed at any individual or particularly this thread
Take offence if you wish, your choice. I'm just a middle aged photographer who realises that girls barely out of their teens change their mind and dont always have the life skills that people of my age SHOULD, so need to be cut a bit of slack occassionally. Thats not "Knight in shining armour stuff" its just reasonable, normal behaviour in most circumstances.
I do object to the attitude displayed by a few on here that the girls are just pieces of wanking fodder who should model to whatever level they are told to, and should have no privacy and no respect.
> You say this without knowing a situation? What is it they say
> about assumptions?? I think you need to learn to examine the
> facts of a situation before you start to mouth off about 'you
> guys' this and 'you guys' that. It's never too late to start
> Iain! Try it some time.
>
> My feelings towards her attitude have nothing to do with
> the levels she works or does not work to, unless you know
> differently. If you know (as a fact) differently, please feel
> free to share it!
>
> I couldn't care less what levels she works to since my
> associate and I shoots all levels for our projects from bikini
> up! So I implore you to get your facts straight before
> attempting to speak with authority. The 'her knight in shining
> armour' routine is getting a bit stale now.
>
>
"I think its SOME of you guys who need to look at your attitude, not the model."
Is the actual quote...and it wasn't necessarilly directed at any individual or particularly this thread
Take offence if you wish, your choice. I'm just a middle aged photographer who realises that girls barely out of their teens change their mind and dont always have the life skills that people of my age SHOULD, so need to be cut a bit of slack occassionally. Thats not "Knight in shining armour stuff" its just reasonable, normal behaviour in most circumstances.
I do object to the attitude displayed by a few on here that the girls are just pieces of wanking fodder who should model to whatever level they are told to, and should have no privacy and no respect.
Re: xlollx Lolly Lopez
I knew you would respond by saying it wasn't directed at me personally, hence me underlining the words I did in my second paragraph. In any event, perhaps you could have said "some guys" instead of "some of you guys." This is because the latter indicates that there are those amongst us were rude to her or gave her attitude, which is obviously possible, but the inverse could also be true. Facts still count for something.
Too many on forums rush to the defense of others (their friends etc etc) without knowing the facts. I have spoken to a couple of togs who were in the same boat as myself: weren't pushy; were very polite; made mere inquiries; didn't try to force levels.
But certain people react to even the most harmless requests in certain ways. It could be because they were stressed at the time, or they are just plain rude. No one is perfect, and if it so happens that a model responds in a rude way without being provoked, there is nothing wrong with highlighting that. The onus is on the model to change for the 'better' or continue as he or she has been operating. Ditto for the photographer. I've made many mistakes with models in the past. When they got rude, I responded in kind and often even harsher. That was in the past when I just started out. Now I simply tell them they are too rude and I proceed to put them on ignore without getting into an argument with them because that will never end.
On a side note: We personally never begrudge togs who get models to do much higher levels for them. We do our thing and keep moving along. We decide whether or not we want to shoot her and then move on, but we don't bad mouth her or curse her because she won't do open leg (for instance) for us or not, since really and truly we don't really need it. If there are togs who are blasting Lolly because she refuses to work open leg for them, then that reflects poorly on them. A model can change her mind at any time, and she can choose who she wants to shoot what for. It's hers to change, otherwise she'd be a slave. My issue was never about that.
Too many on forums rush to the defense of others (their friends etc etc) without knowing the facts. I have spoken to a couple of togs who were in the same boat as myself: weren't pushy; were very polite; made mere inquiries; didn't try to force levels.
But certain people react to even the most harmless requests in certain ways. It could be because they were stressed at the time, or they are just plain rude. No one is perfect, and if it so happens that a model responds in a rude way without being provoked, there is nothing wrong with highlighting that. The onus is on the model to change for the 'better' or continue as he or she has been operating. Ditto for the photographer. I've made many mistakes with models in the past. When they got rude, I responded in kind and often even harsher. That was in the past when I just started out. Now I simply tell them they are too rude and I proceed to put them on ignore without getting into an argument with them because that will never end.
On a side note: We personally never begrudge togs who get models to do much higher levels for them. We do our thing and keep moving along. We decide whether or not we want to shoot her and then move on, but we don't bad mouth her or curse her because she won't do open leg (for instance) for us or not, since really and truly we don't really need it. If there are togs who are blasting Lolly because she refuses to work open leg for them, then that reflects poorly on them. A model can change her mind at any time, and she can choose who she wants to shoot what for. It's hers to change, otherwise she'd be a slave. My issue was never about that.