I will reply to my own post as I don`t want to give this guy any more oxygen.
I have done 13 shoots with Tori. I am fully aware of her faults but they are outweighed by what is good about her. I stand by what I have already said. I understand that some photographers may have had problems trying to arrange shoots with Tori, but it does not excuse somebody persecuting her as if he were the chief prosecutor in a serious criminal trial. That is not normal behaviour.
Tori Baynes
Re: Tori Baynes
Have you had enough sleep? What sort of fantasist are you if you think that anyone is persecuting anyone here?
I'd seriously try the decaf, mate.
I'd seriously try the decaf, mate.
Re: Tori Baynes
I won't go so far as to suggest you're wearing rose tinted glasses but for what little it's worth, being a "basically a good person" is only part of what it takes to be successful. It won't work on its own.
Whether you're a model or photographer, if you give an impression or build a reputation of being flaky or unreliable, I very much doubt how "good" a person you are will keep you in high esteem.
Whether you're a model or photographer, if you give an impression or build a reputation of being flaky or unreliable, I very much doubt how "good" a person you are will keep you in high esteem.
Re: Tori Baynes
I don`t disagree with you, but for the main part I`ve found Tori to be reliable, more so than some other models I`ve worked with. I can only go by my own experience.
I understand that not everybody`s experience with Tori has been so positive, but I have a problem with this guy Emac trying to destroy her just because for some reason he was unable to arrange a shoot with her 2 years ago. This is completely out of proportion to any sense of grievance he may have had with her.
I understand that not everybody`s experience with Tori has been so positive, but I have a problem with this guy Emac trying to destroy her just because for some reason he was unable to arrange a shoot with her 2 years ago. This is completely out of proportion to any sense of grievance he may have had with her.
Re: Tori Baynes
You really are an accomplished fool, aren't you?
I have stated factuality my experience if her, I've held most of it back, yet you use emotive language like 'destroy'. Get some sense of proportion here!
I don't know who you are, whether you're the model herself or some sap trying to curry favour with her, but you speak as if you're in some way injured by the public knowing the truth about her behaviour, as if anyone is relating their experience of trying to work with you and not her, bringing up the question of exactly who you are.
You started off by talking about some troll or another. My contribution started after that, so I assume there was another troll. Do you just see trolls everywhere?
What of others who have posted their experiences of her being flaky, both here and in other threads? Here be trolls too?
You think you're helping this model by attacking me, but all you're achieving is shining a brighter light on her unreliability. Your account can hardly be seen as objective.
Now grow up and just stop it.
I have stated factuality my experience if her, I've held most of it back, yet you use emotive language like 'destroy'. Get some sense of proportion here!
I don't know who you are, whether you're the model herself or some sap trying to curry favour with her, but you speak as if you're in some way injured by the public knowing the truth about her behaviour, as if anyone is relating their experience of trying to work with you and not her, bringing up the question of exactly who you are.
You started off by talking about some troll or another. My contribution started after that, so I assume there was another troll. Do you just see trolls everywhere?
What of others who have posted their experiences of her being flaky, both here and in other threads? Here be trolls too?
You think you're helping this model by attacking me, but all you're achieving is shining a brighter light on her unreliability. Your account can hardly be seen as objective.
Now grow up and just stop it.
Re: Tori Baynes
And as you can see he is at it again. He is wrong, not for the first time. His stream of negative comments began on the previous thread and amount to cyberbullying.
Contrary to the nonsense he spouts I am not the model herself nor am I trying to curry favour with her. We have become `working friends` through having worked together 13 times. I will defend Tori from unfair and disproportionate criticism, but in some cases I can see that guys who have criticised her have a point. Your observation was fair, but Emac appears to have become obsessive and unfortunately he has clearly lost sight of how his behaviour looks. Yourself and others do not seize every opportunity to have a dig at Tori in the way that he does.
For some time now I have been trying to nudge Tori towards tightening up her professional standards where there was room for improvement, with some success. That is better than Emac`s approach. There is nothing wrong with Tori`s modelling but there are issues to the side of that. They are mostly minor points. I was prepared to take her former friend Angelina to court for breach of contract so I don`t think I`m a sap. I have a CCJ against Angelina and I did it as a matter of principle. I would do the same thing to any model who committed a flagrant breach of contract.
A very well known model (initials ML) lives quite close to Tori. In terms of modelling talent she is second to none, as witnessed by the numerous positive reviews she has, but I found her to be a precocious attention seeker with a very loose relationship with the truth. Tori on the other hand is very down to earth and we have a similar sense of humour. We work well together. Tori may not have the same level of modelling talent as ML but I would prefer to work with Tori any day. I am not necessarily the greatest photographer, although I do seem to have the wackiest ideas. ML didn`t get it but Tori did. Emac thinks I am shameful for defending Tori. Comments like that are ridiculous.
If anyone wants to know who I am I own www.lepssmuttywebsite.com
but I am not the leprechaun. He is my cover because I also run a business.
Contrary to the nonsense he spouts I am not the model herself nor am I trying to curry favour with her. We have become `working friends` through having worked together 13 times. I will defend Tori from unfair and disproportionate criticism, but in some cases I can see that guys who have criticised her have a point. Your observation was fair, but Emac appears to have become obsessive and unfortunately he has clearly lost sight of how his behaviour looks. Yourself and others do not seize every opportunity to have a dig at Tori in the way that he does.
For some time now I have been trying to nudge Tori towards tightening up her professional standards where there was room for improvement, with some success. That is better than Emac`s approach. There is nothing wrong with Tori`s modelling but there are issues to the side of that. They are mostly minor points. I was prepared to take her former friend Angelina to court for breach of contract so I don`t think I`m a sap. I have a CCJ against Angelina and I did it as a matter of principle. I would do the same thing to any model who committed a flagrant breach of contract.
A very well known model (initials ML) lives quite close to Tori. In terms of modelling talent she is second to none, as witnessed by the numerous positive reviews she has, but I found her to be a precocious attention seeker with a very loose relationship with the truth. Tori on the other hand is very down to earth and we have a similar sense of humour. We work well together. Tori may not have the same level of modelling talent as ML but I would prefer to work with Tori any day. I am not necessarily the greatest photographer, although I do seem to have the wackiest ideas. ML didn`t get it but Tori did. Emac thinks I am shameful for defending Tori. Comments like that are ridiculous.
If anyone wants to know who I am I own www.lepssmuttywebsite.com
but I am not the leprechaun. He is my cover because I also run a business.
Re: Tori Baynes is the flakiest model
I have ever come across. Tried arranging shoots with her for 3 years or so. I had a bit of solo work for her, but she...well...she couldn't care less. It's always one excuse or another. It's like she has a big book on indexed excuses for each occasion.
I've all but given up on her.
I've all but given up on her.
Re: Tori Baynes is the flakiest model
I am sorry to hear that this has been your experience, but I have successfully managed to complete 13 shoots with her since August 2011. It hasn`t all been plain sailing but maybe I`m the lucky one she is happy to work with. I am guessing she didn`t want to work with you but I don`t know if that is the actual reason or why this would be.
I am not Tori or her agent or her fan or her lover. I can only speak from my own experience, as you are doing. As to why our experiences have been so different I don`t have the answer, but you can find numerous images of Tori on www.lepssmuttywebsite.com .
I am not Tori or her agent or her fan or her lover. I can only speak from my own experience, as you are doing. As to why our experiences have been so different I don`t have the answer, but you can find numerous images of Tori on www.lepssmuttywebsite.com .
Re: Tori Baynes is the flakiest model
You're guessing she didn't want to work with me? Based on what? Her agreeing to 10 bookings in a 3 year span and not honouring any one of them?
Or her emailing me once or twice, after I wrote her off, to tell me she was ready to go?
If you don't know my situation with her, why are you making a 'guess' without any facts or even the slightest bit of information?
You arranged many shoots with her. Good for you. Other have been messed about by her.
Or her emailing me once or twice, after I wrote her off, to tell me she was ready to go?
If you don't know my situation with her, why are you making a 'guess' without any facts or even the slightest bit of information?
You arranged many shoots with her. Good for you. Other have been messed about by her.
Re: Tori Baynes is the flakiest model
derrick76 wrote:
> You're guessing she didn't want to work with me? Based on what?
> Her agreeing to 10 bookings in a 3 year span and not honouring
> any one of them?
>
> Or her emailing me once or twice, after I wrote her off, to
> tell me she was ready to go?
>
> If you don't know my situation with her, why are you making a
> 'guess' without any facts or even the slightest bit of
> information?
>
> You arranged many shoots with her. Good for you. Other have
> been messed about by her.
Any second now he will christen you troll no 2... Or is that 3?
> You're guessing she didn't want to work with me? Based on what?
> Her agreeing to 10 bookings in a 3 year span and not honouring
> any one of them?
>
> Or her emailing me once or twice, after I wrote her off, to
> tell me she was ready to go?
>
> If you don't know my situation with her, why are you making a
> 'guess' without any facts or even the slightest bit of
> information?
>
> You arranged many shoots with her. Good for you. Other have
> been messed about by her.
Any second now he will christen you troll no 2... Or is that 3?