ian hartley suicide bid?

[magoo]

The people who claim prison is a holiday camp are usually people who have never been inside a prison before. Even as a visitor.

Anyone accused of such crimes will not have an easy time. Every con in the place will be wanting to crucify him and many of the POs will be happy to turn a blind eye. And theres no police in there to stop anyone being attacked just a bunch of cynical embittered prison officers who couldnt give a toss.

Its easy to let emotions cloud our judgement due to the horrific nature of the crimes but many an innocent person can end up spending time on remand for crimes they didnt commit. And less frequently but occasionaly innocent people get convicted and sentenced especially in high profile cases where the tabloids and the public (and therefor government ministers at the Home Office) are placing the police under pressure to charge someone. Guildford Four, Birmingham Six etc etc

And as Ace points out. Two of the detectives on that case had kiddy porn on thier computers. I bet theres a few tabloid journos from the "hang em and flog em" brigade waiting for a knock from Operation Ore too due to them looking at kiddie porn. And then they talk about other people being sick!

[jj]

My favourite?
"Sodditl, I'm going for a pint and a burger"

[Ivan Erection]

Do you lot ever watch Oz when its on?It isnt entirely realistic(I think a prison which can have 3 unsolved murders in an hours worth of tv programming would have been closed long ago)but its a great show.
Anyway heres an interesting theory on the murders in soham.Bear in mind this guy makes Mulder from the X Files look like a line towing skeptic but IMO this theory is very interesting.
http://www.bigwig.net/softwaredesign/ho ... wells_.htm


Though to be honest 90% of the rest of his essays are rubbish but this one isnt unconceiveable.It wouldnt be beyond Blair-he has undertaken several schemes and lies which threaten the health and welfare of the people.

[Caractacus]

There are some interesting points raised in that piece, and it is a plausible theory. But for it to work you'd have to have a number of police officers fabricating evidence against Hartley. The more people in a conspiracy, the less likely it is to remain secret.

Presumably the Cambridgeshire police found evidence at Hartley and Carr's home and at his parents' home in Lincolnshire linking them with the girls. Given the amount of scrutiny forensic evidence comes under, and the fact that any pathologist making a blunder that puts an innocent person away is going to be looking for a new job, it must have been persuasive enough for the police and the DPP to charge him.

All this evidence is related to us, via the press, once it is presented in court. If Hartley dies, or remains in a coma, it may be revealed bit by bit, but there will be no chance for a defence team to challenge it. It is in the best interests of the British public that justice, if justice it is, is seen to be done. None of it will help the family of the murdered girls, but we need to know that the right person has been caught, tried and convicted of the crimes. And quite frankly, The Sun saying he did it isn't good enough.

The public is interested, of course it is, in details of such horrific events: people want to know how it could happen, whether there are any lessons to be learned, and some sick people just want to read what actually happened.

We've come close in this country in recent years of being unable to give an accused person a fair trial because so much "evidence" has appeared on TV and in print that there can be few people able to sit on a jury and not have already made their minds up. How would we feel if one of the Wests or Shipman or some other high-profile killer got off because the tabloids had already printed the main points of the case against them? We'd be furious, demanding action---but how many of us would blame the papers, who are just feeding us what we want?

[Caractacus]

[Meat Feast]

... although there was a small matter recently of witness intimidation, wasn't there?

[jj]

It makes uncomfortably plausible sense.........my understanding is that at the moment the police don't have enough evidence against the pair to convict them: and any 'confessions' wouldn't be enough on their own.

[buttsie]

I don't care whhat anybody says

The real fault lies with society

What training do you need to become a parent-none

So why are we astounded when parents allow their kids out of their sight with no instructions about strangers that are really relevant

Just telling a 5-12 year old that talkming to strangers in not on doesn't work

I recently was involved in a mock play with some friends kids just to see how gullible they really were-sad to say they failed miserably

cheers
B....OZ

[steve56]

well buttsie,theres loads of kids on my estate wandering around till 11.00pm now i wonder were the parents are.

[buttsie]

Here here Magoo

A close relative of mine spent 2 years 4 months inside and says to this day it was the most stressful time of his life

He stands 6'5 weighs 130kl but was scared shitless mainly because he was streetwise and knew the score inside

All I will say is..any body considering Adultery think twice

If the Wife & the Husband get together your in the poo legally-trust me


cheers
B....OZ