Theres a book titled Jihad v McWorld by Benjamin a Barber that makes some interesting statements such as:
The most damaging conflict underlying our times is
Consumerist Capitalism versus Religion and Tribal Fundamentalism
'These diametrically opposed but intertwined forces are tearing apart - and bringing together - the world as we know it.'
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Pres. Bush is right about the contracts...
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Deuce Bigolo
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"The Troubles in Ireland should prove that military actions will never defeat terrorism"
I disagree totally with that statement, military actions can and will defeat terrorism unless they have to work under the constrains of a judicial system heavily in favour of the criminal.
For example, a soldier sees man with a machine gun - the soldier cannot open fire unless he believes his, a colleague or a member of the publics life is in danger. What possible reason has a person to carry a machine gun unless he is gonna try and kill someone or at the very least be involved in that process? Even if he has genuine cause to open fire he has then more or less ended his military career and could quite possibly face a term in jail for doing what his lords and masters ordered him to do - they sent him there and they gave him a gun. He will almost certainly be subject to a trial, his name will get out to the press and he will be treated like the criminal (for example Lee Clegg) while the terrorists family will get legal aid (my fucking money) to sue the government and then a ton of compensation (my money again).
Case in point - Loughall, 1986. Eight heavily armed terrorists appoach a police station with a JCB filled with 500lbs of explosives. In this instance the SAS waited till the terrorists opened fire on the police station and detonated the bomb before opening up on them but still the families have the balls to claim they were murdered and they should have tried to arrest them! How fucking ludicrous is that? How do u arrest 8 heavily armed me with machine guns without risking your life? U dont! Its not as though they were going down the pub for a few pints yet the British held an enquiry, the SAS got criticised for doing their jobs and government paid undisclosed sums in compensation to some of the families involved.
What a load of wank - soldier sees man with machine gun, soldier shoots the fucker in the head and gets promoted and lauded as a hero, thats how it should work. Its the only language the bastards understand, u live by the sword, u die by the sword. You rest fucking assured the terrorist wouldnt give the soldier a warning or a chance to surrender so why the fuck should he get one? I have been to funerals of members of the security forces at home murdered, one of whom was one of the nicest man I have ever know and was blown apart in a car bomb with 2 colleagues - they were so badly torn apart so that the coffins had to be closed cos what remains were found didnt even resemble a human bosy and his family didnt get to even say a proper goodbye to him. I know his two sons, growing up without a dad all because of some fuckers who are now back on the streets laughing in the name of peace. No one stops to think how thsoe boys or his wife feels knowing that the killers served about 3 years for murdering 3 men going about their job.
Easy solution to Northern Ireland - go in, round up all the fuckers who they KNOW are pulling the trigger and plating the bombs but dont have enough evidence to convict in our wonderful judicial system, waste them all and the next time some 16 year prick thinks of becoming a terrorist maybe he will think twice cos lets face it, a 10 year holiday in jail, out in 4 aint gonna fucking stop him.
On a final note - shoot to kill? Too fucking right, any soldier will tell u (and no Im not a soldier) u shoot centre mass till the threat goes down or stops being a threat. You try and shoot to wound you end up dead cos its not as easy as Hollywood makes it out to shoot someone in the leg or the arm and even then it wont necessarily stop them - a wounded terrorist can still fire a gun or detonate a bomb, a dead one cant. Period.
Jason
P.S. For what its worth I dont care which side the bastards are from - IRA or UVF, INLA or UFF, waste them all.
I disagree totally with that statement, military actions can and will defeat terrorism unless they have to work under the constrains of a judicial system heavily in favour of the criminal.
For example, a soldier sees man with a machine gun - the soldier cannot open fire unless he believes his, a colleague or a member of the publics life is in danger. What possible reason has a person to carry a machine gun unless he is gonna try and kill someone or at the very least be involved in that process? Even if he has genuine cause to open fire he has then more or less ended his military career and could quite possibly face a term in jail for doing what his lords and masters ordered him to do - they sent him there and they gave him a gun. He will almost certainly be subject to a trial, his name will get out to the press and he will be treated like the criminal (for example Lee Clegg) while the terrorists family will get legal aid (my fucking money) to sue the government and then a ton of compensation (my money again).
Case in point - Loughall, 1986. Eight heavily armed terrorists appoach a police station with a JCB filled with 500lbs of explosives. In this instance the SAS waited till the terrorists opened fire on the police station and detonated the bomb before opening up on them but still the families have the balls to claim they were murdered and they should have tried to arrest them! How fucking ludicrous is that? How do u arrest 8 heavily armed me with machine guns without risking your life? U dont! Its not as though they were going down the pub for a few pints yet the British held an enquiry, the SAS got criticised for doing their jobs and government paid undisclosed sums in compensation to some of the families involved.
What a load of wank - soldier sees man with machine gun, soldier shoots the fucker in the head and gets promoted and lauded as a hero, thats how it should work. Its the only language the bastards understand, u live by the sword, u die by the sword. You rest fucking assured the terrorist wouldnt give the soldier a warning or a chance to surrender so why the fuck should he get one? I have been to funerals of members of the security forces at home murdered, one of whom was one of the nicest man I have ever know and was blown apart in a car bomb with 2 colleagues - they were so badly torn apart so that the coffins had to be closed cos what remains were found didnt even resemble a human bosy and his family didnt get to even say a proper goodbye to him. I know his two sons, growing up without a dad all because of some fuckers who are now back on the streets laughing in the name of peace. No one stops to think how thsoe boys or his wife feels knowing that the killers served about 3 years for murdering 3 men going about their job.
Easy solution to Northern Ireland - go in, round up all the fuckers who they KNOW are pulling the trigger and plating the bombs but dont have enough evidence to convict in our wonderful judicial system, waste them all and the next time some 16 year prick thinks of becoming a terrorist maybe he will think twice cos lets face it, a 10 year holiday in jail, out in 4 aint gonna fucking stop him.
On a final note - shoot to kill? Too fucking right, any soldier will tell u (and no Im not a soldier) u shoot centre mass till the threat goes down or stops being a threat. You try and shoot to wound you end up dead cos its not as easy as Hollywood makes it out to shoot someone in the leg or the arm and even then it wont necessarily stop them - a wounded terrorist can still fire a gun or detonate a bomb, a dead one cant. Period.
Jason
P.S. For what its worth I dont care which side the bastards are from - IRA or UVF, INLA or UFF, waste them all.
Re: I don't know if he was totally right..but...
Thanks for your seasonal message. Peace and goodwill to all men.
Remind me to never buy anything from your shop.
Mart
Remind me to never buy anything from your shop.
Mart
Re: I don't know if he was totally right..but...
tell that to the families of the dead police, soldiers and civilians on both sides - Im sure they will be having another great Christmas without their loved ones
Jason
Jason
Re: I don't know if he was totally right..but...
Read my post, did u deliberately ignore the piece where I said "P.S. For what its worth I dont care which side the bastards are from - IRA or UVF, INLA or UFF, waste them all"?
Yes I am a protestant but I am a protestant with catholic family members - I have 3 nephews who mean more to me than anyone in the world to a catholic mother, I have 2 uncles who are catholics (one of whom incidentally was in the RUC for 20 years), 80% of my friends at home are catholic, when I am home I frequent catholic pubs and clubs in places like keady, newry and warrenpoint. You are quite obviously catholic and I have NO issue with that but why do you call me a loyalist? I do not support loyalist paramilitaries and never will - ur comment about loyalist paramilitaries controlling all the drugs and crime in Belfast is utter bollox. They absolutely do in loyalist parts of belfast but like republicans do in republican areas and the same applies for areas like antrim and south armagh - no one side is better or worse than the other.
As for collusion yes I believe it did happen, however, in the case where they colluded to kill terrorists I wont lose any sleep just like Im sure they didnt when they were killing someone. However in reference to the collusion in my post I used the words "innocent civilians" - I didnt say innocent protestant civilians - I consider pat finucane and indeed rosemary nelson as just that I abhor and condemn their murders as much as that of any member of the protestant community or security forces.
I dont deny that the british forces committed attrocities and yes innocent people died as a result of their actions - in any case where an attrocity took place they justice should be done. Bloody Sunday is a good example. yes innocent people died BUT not everyone who died was innocent. Yes in the instance of the 18 year old you mention the soldiers should have served their time.
For whatever reason you are very bitter specifically towards protestant paramilitaries and have got it into your head that I support loyalist paramilitaries whereas in my post I was trying to get across that one side is as bad as the other. For some reason u seem to think that I consider johnny adair or michael stone and co as heroes - where the hell did u get that from from my post??????
For the record I am not siding with one side over the other - the greysteel massacre was just that, the murder of innocent catholic taxi drivers was as sure as hell not done in my name. In my time in northern ireland I voted ulster unionist, not DUP, not hardliners - I am coming from the side of someone who lived there for 23 years and never knew anything different who, like I believe the majority of people who live there, just wants the troublemakers taken out of the equation and let the normal people (both catholic and protestant) get on with their lives
So now that I have come out and condemned greysteel, the finucane and nelson murders, the murder of the 18 year kid shot in the back running away etc lets see if you are prepared to condemn the murder of security forces - for example the ballygawley bus bombing or the warrenpoint bomb or the cold blooded assasination of 2 police dog handlers walking down lurgan main street?
Jason
Yes I am a protestant but I am a protestant with catholic family members - I have 3 nephews who mean more to me than anyone in the world to a catholic mother, I have 2 uncles who are catholics (one of whom incidentally was in the RUC for 20 years), 80% of my friends at home are catholic, when I am home I frequent catholic pubs and clubs in places like keady, newry and warrenpoint. You are quite obviously catholic and I have NO issue with that but why do you call me a loyalist? I do not support loyalist paramilitaries and never will - ur comment about loyalist paramilitaries controlling all the drugs and crime in Belfast is utter bollox. They absolutely do in loyalist parts of belfast but like republicans do in republican areas and the same applies for areas like antrim and south armagh - no one side is better or worse than the other.
As for collusion yes I believe it did happen, however, in the case where they colluded to kill terrorists I wont lose any sleep just like Im sure they didnt when they were killing someone. However in reference to the collusion in my post I used the words "innocent civilians" - I didnt say innocent protestant civilians - I consider pat finucane and indeed rosemary nelson as just that I abhor and condemn their murders as much as that of any member of the protestant community or security forces.
I dont deny that the british forces committed attrocities and yes innocent people died as a result of their actions - in any case where an attrocity took place they justice should be done. Bloody Sunday is a good example. yes innocent people died BUT not everyone who died was innocent. Yes in the instance of the 18 year old you mention the soldiers should have served their time.
For whatever reason you are very bitter specifically towards protestant paramilitaries and have got it into your head that I support loyalist paramilitaries whereas in my post I was trying to get across that one side is as bad as the other. For some reason u seem to think that I consider johnny adair or michael stone and co as heroes - where the hell did u get that from from my post??????
For the record I am not siding with one side over the other - the greysteel massacre was just that, the murder of innocent catholic taxi drivers was as sure as hell not done in my name. In my time in northern ireland I voted ulster unionist, not DUP, not hardliners - I am coming from the side of someone who lived there for 23 years and never knew anything different who, like I believe the majority of people who live there, just wants the troublemakers taken out of the equation and let the normal people (both catholic and protestant) get on with their lives
So now that I have come out and condemned greysteel, the finucane and nelson murders, the murder of the 18 year kid shot in the back running away etc lets see if you are prepared to condemn the murder of security forces - for example the ballygawley bus bombing or the warrenpoint bomb or the cold blooded assasination of 2 police dog handlers walking down lurgan main street?
Jason
magoo - take note of above post
civilians on both sides