Or to quote Shakespeare, A man may smile and smile and be a villain.
It's worth bearing in mind that most evil men would probably see themselves in more of a heroic light.
Don't know what Magoo has done to deserve being in such company.
Evil under the sun.
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Go to the top of the class for spotting the 'out' in that one, C.
Still waiting for Jude's canonisation, though..........
Again, I failed to make my real point: that evil cannot be quantified.
Still waiting for Jude's canonisation, though..........
Again, I failed to make my real point: that evil cannot be quantified.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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Has to be a toss up between Adolf Hitler or Margaret Thatcher, both had their own ideas on world domination: Hitler in a mascoline way (outside Poland!!) and Thatcher as Britain?s ultimate arch feminist.
PEOPLE think Stephen Hawking is so clever, but when you ask him a question and he is typing in the answer on his little screen, how do we know he isn't just looking up the answer on the Internet?
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Along those lines - isnt the real debate are any people actually evil or are they all "victims of circumstance" or firmly believe they are acting in line with what their religion supposedly tells them. Which kill people for fun? - what might be behind their actions.
Id like to know of some names of previously mentioned people who were actually evil and not just mental and in the right place at the right time.
Id like to know of some names of previously mentioned people who were actually evil and not just mental and in the right place at the right time.
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Re: Evil under the sun.
Cliff Richard,i hate that bastard......
Re: Read about some of them.
Just come across this book review:
The New Zealand Listener
February 28-March 5 2004 Vol 192 No 3329
The emperor's old clothes
by Chris Trotter
TALK OF THE DEVIL: Encounters with seven dictators, by Riccardo Orizio (Random, $27.95).
Political journalists are fascinated by the nature of evil. It is something of an occupational hazard. Observing on a daily basis the slings and arrows that political leaders routinely and deliberately unleash upon their opponents (and sometimes their supporters), we naturally ask ourselves why they do it. Are they cruel and unpleasant individuals simply because that is their nature, or is the cut-throat environment in which politicians are nurtured responsible for their moral degradation?
Italian political journalist Riccardo Orizio went hunting for answers to these questions; but not among the domesticated creatures who inhabit Western parliaments. His quarry were seven of the world's most notorious dictators ? the political equivalent of big game.
Amin, Bokassa, Jaruzelski, Hoxha, Duvalier, Mengistu, Milosevic: names that came to symbolise the moral chaos raging beyond the borders of the Western world. Caricatured in newspaper cartoons, and castigated as living symbols of pure evil, these men had careers that could so easily have been rendered in the lurid colours of the tabloid hack. Thankfully, Orizio approached his subjects in a thoughtful, almost respectful,
manner. His interest in this not-so-
magnificent seven was as practitioners of the politics of extremity.
Amazingly, most of Orizio's subjects were still alive when he began his quest more than two years ago. Idi Amin ? the onetime "Big Daddy" of Uganda ? was tracked down to the Saudi-Arabian city of Jeddah. Here, the man who was rumoured to have literally eaten his enemies, was living out his "retirement" as a devout Muslim. Jean-Bedel Bokassa, killer of schoolchildren and self-crowned "Emperor", was discovered by Orizio living quietly in a crumbling villa on the outskirts of the Central African Republic's capital, Bangui.
General Jaruzelski ? the crusher of Poland's "Solidarity" trade union movement ? still spends most of his days in a small Warsaw office paid for by the Polish Government.
Perhaps it was the moral incongruity of encountering men who had ordered the death and torture of thousands of human beings still living on in relative security, and apparently untroubled by their horrific pasts, that led Orizio to name his book after the old Italian proverb: "Speak of the Devil and he will appear."
But the "Devil" revealed here is not the cloven-footed demon of medieval folklore, nor yet his murderous human servants. In Talk of the Devil, he manifests himself in the blank refusal of the universe to register the slightest concern about acts of unspeakable horror.
Dictators learn very quickly that, more often than not, when people are murdered in the name of the state, nothing happens. And so do dictators' wives. In the cases of Enver Hoxha, Slobodan Milosevic and "Baby Doc" Duvalier, mass murder emerges to be the product of kind of folie-?-deux with an ambitious trio of predatory females.
We comfort ourselves that great crimes incur great punishments, con-veniently forgetting that for every Saddam and Milosevic we put on trial, there are dozens of tyrants who get off scot-free. What Orizio's conversations with dictators reveal is that when politicians realise that people can be killed with impunity, murder becomes routine. Ask them about their crimes and they will shrug and tell you that it was all "so long ago". The deaths weren't personal ? they were "just politics".
And given the circumstances in which most of these men assumed power, and the crisis-torn nations in which they seized it, Death must have presented himself as one of the few servants a dictator could trust. We shake our heads in disgust, but, as the former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile-Mariam explained to Orizio, the failure of democracy to take hold in Africa is not entirely the fault of the Africans: "The world insists on trying to give us fine new shoes. And we have to adapt our feet to these new shoes. But, sometimes, new shoes hurt their feet so much that people throw them away. Do you understand this paradox? Instead of adapting your shoes to fit our feet, you in the West have demanded the opposite. When all's said and done, the sandals I offered would not have been thrown away."
Maybe not, but the fact remains that Mengistu's "sandals" cost the lives of more than a million Ethiopians. That he has been able to escape their just retribution is due entirely to the protection offered by another dictator ? the Zimbabwean President, Robert Mugabe. Orizio tracked him to one of Harare's most affluent suburbs ? where he and his family continue to live in considerable comfort.
And nothing happens.
All content ?2003 Wilson & Horton. All rights reserved.
The New Zealand Listener
February 28-March 5 2004 Vol 192 No 3329
The emperor's old clothes
by Chris Trotter
TALK OF THE DEVIL: Encounters with seven dictators, by Riccardo Orizio (Random, $27.95).
Political journalists are fascinated by the nature of evil. It is something of an occupational hazard. Observing on a daily basis the slings and arrows that political leaders routinely and deliberately unleash upon their opponents (and sometimes their supporters), we naturally ask ourselves why they do it. Are they cruel and unpleasant individuals simply because that is their nature, or is the cut-throat environment in which politicians are nurtured responsible for their moral degradation?
Italian political journalist Riccardo Orizio went hunting for answers to these questions; but not among the domesticated creatures who inhabit Western parliaments. His quarry were seven of the world's most notorious dictators ? the political equivalent of big game.
Amin, Bokassa, Jaruzelski, Hoxha, Duvalier, Mengistu, Milosevic: names that came to symbolise the moral chaos raging beyond the borders of the Western world. Caricatured in newspaper cartoons, and castigated as living symbols of pure evil, these men had careers that could so easily have been rendered in the lurid colours of the tabloid hack. Thankfully, Orizio approached his subjects in a thoughtful, almost respectful,
manner. His interest in this not-so-
magnificent seven was as practitioners of the politics of extremity.
Amazingly, most of Orizio's subjects were still alive when he began his quest more than two years ago. Idi Amin ? the onetime "Big Daddy" of Uganda ? was tracked down to the Saudi-Arabian city of Jeddah. Here, the man who was rumoured to have literally eaten his enemies, was living out his "retirement" as a devout Muslim. Jean-Bedel Bokassa, killer of schoolchildren and self-crowned "Emperor", was discovered by Orizio living quietly in a crumbling villa on the outskirts of the Central African Republic's capital, Bangui.
General Jaruzelski ? the crusher of Poland's "Solidarity" trade union movement ? still spends most of his days in a small Warsaw office paid for by the Polish Government.
Perhaps it was the moral incongruity of encountering men who had ordered the death and torture of thousands of human beings still living on in relative security, and apparently untroubled by their horrific pasts, that led Orizio to name his book after the old Italian proverb: "Speak of the Devil and he will appear."
But the "Devil" revealed here is not the cloven-footed demon of medieval folklore, nor yet his murderous human servants. In Talk of the Devil, he manifests himself in the blank refusal of the universe to register the slightest concern about acts of unspeakable horror.
Dictators learn very quickly that, more often than not, when people are murdered in the name of the state, nothing happens. And so do dictators' wives. In the cases of Enver Hoxha, Slobodan Milosevic and "Baby Doc" Duvalier, mass murder emerges to be the product of kind of folie-?-deux with an ambitious trio of predatory females.
We comfort ourselves that great crimes incur great punishments, con-veniently forgetting that for every Saddam and Milosevic we put on trial, there are dozens of tyrants who get off scot-free. What Orizio's conversations with dictators reveal is that when politicians realise that people can be killed with impunity, murder becomes routine. Ask them about their crimes and they will shrug and tell you that it was all "so long ago". The deaths weren't personal ? they were "just politics".
And given the circumstances in which most of these men assumed power, and the crisis-torn nations in which they seized it, Death must have presented himself as one of the few servants a dictator could trust. We shake our heads in disgust, but, as the former Ethiopian dictator Mengistu Haile-Mariam explained to Orizio, the failure of democracy to take hold in Africa is not entirely the fault of the Africans: "The world insists on trying to give us fine new shoes. And we have to adapt our feet to these new shoes. But, sometimes, new shoes hurt their feet so much that people throw them away. Do you understand this paradox? Instead of adapting your shoes to fit our feet, you in the West have demanded the opposite. When all's said and done, the sandals I offered would not have been thrown away."
Maybe not, but the fact remains that Mengistu's "sandals" cost the lives of more than a million Ethiopians. That he has been able to escape their just retribution is due entirely to the protection offered by another dictator ? the Zimbabwean President, Robert Mugabe. Orizio tracked him to one of Harare's most affluent suburbs ? where he and his family continue to live in considerable comfort.
And nothing happens.
All content ?2003 Wilson & Horton. All rights reserved.
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yeah cliffs too good to be true the forever virgin?i read hes the most fave singer of all time,lol.
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Cliff hardly qualifies as "evil monster".
Mart
Mart
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what about jonathan king,harold shipman,robert maxwell then?
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no ones mentioned mussolini either.