sept 11th[3 yrs on today]

[Holden MacGroyn]

In your heartfelt capacity as humanitarian extraordinaire....do you show "some bloody sympathy and remember them and their families " to the thousands that have died since, around the world?
Must have been a bleak day at the office for the whole of the Gulf War.

I'm not saying we shouldn't show a sign etc but putting it into perspective, what makes their death any different to the slaughters around the world?
That it was shown on TV?
That it was in the free West?

I do feel sorry for those people but at the same time, I give it no precedence over other attrocities carried out.

I think that may be where a lot of people are coming from on this.

Biting on Steve's thread of "Let's not forget", well do we have people saying "Let's not forget" about other's who are killed?

The rail disasters in India.
The flooding in China.
The Kurdish victims of the mass gassing?
The innocent Afghans bombed by the West & executed by the Taliban?
The genocide in Serbo-Croatia?
Funny how nobody mentions that, yet it was without one of the horrific acts since the second world war.
Mass graves; Genocide; Evil dictator. Rung any bells?

Do you show "some bloody sympathy and remember them and their families"?

Sorry dude, but it's my opinion.

[diplodocus]

there's a lot of anti american stuff in this thread, I personally think that their foreign policies stink.
but it seems to have been forgotten that people from 62 nations were killed in that attack, including 67 brits

[Pervert]

It doesn't matter the nationalities of the people who were killed, or what individual posters think about America. Most of us have a beef with Bush and his foreign policies, but that doesn't mean we in any way, shape or form condone attacks on civilian targets anywhere. None of the people caught up in the horror, on the planes or in the targeted buildings, or the heroic emergency service personnel who died doing their job, deserved to die in such a horrible, callous way. (Yes, Holden, I take your point about people dying every day, and do we mourn them and all the rest of it).

[TerryXXX]

Its just that its one of those momentous tragic days where everyone knows what they were doing... and every second was recorded, every deatil. I can only think the Beslan siege comes near it in immediate horror.

[Pervert]

Every time something like this happens---a Lockerbie, a Dunblane, the Twin Towers, Beslan and so many other events----we're shocked to the bone, and think the human race can sink no lower. And every time it does.

You're right. The fact that so many of us sat and watched it happening on our TV screens gave it a shocking power.

[mart]

I don't see a lot of anti-American stuff in this thread. But that's the problem isn't it? Some people interpret any comment on our cousins across the big pond as an attack/insult.
There is more going on in the world than just US business.

Mart

[Deuce Bigolo]

If we remmeber only one thing about 9/11 it should be you Reap what you Sow and the CIA has been sowed a lot of seeds since its inception

Until all victims everywhere receive the same kind of support as the victims of 9/11 have then I fear it will happen again and maybe on a far bigger scale

You either raise the living standards World Wide or you live with the threat of terrorism forever IMHO

cheers
B....OZ

[diplodocus]

I agree, there is a lot of other bad shit going on in the world, and no I don't see any comment on the US as an attack/insult. But I do find comments such as
'Can't shed too many tears for spoiled Americans'
a bit distasteful, most of these people, if not all, had as much choice in what happened to them and their families as did the poor sods who faced the backlash from Bush in other parts of the world

[R18 DVD Shop]

"Do you show "some bloody sympathy and remember them and their families"?"

Absolutely I do BUT the post was about 9/11 and it was on the anniversary so therefore that day was at the forefront of my mind - just because others have died before, since and will continue to do doesnt mean that we shouldnt remember 9/11 or feel sympathy towards their families. If someone was to post a similar post about any other "incident" my reaction would be the same - why does it have to be different to anything else for people to remember it?

By taking your argument to the next level then you wouldnt feel sympathy for anything or anyone as nothing is a unique event and none of the things mentioned above are any more horrific or notable than any of the others. If you lost a member of your family you would still mourn yet the same happens to millions of people every day all around the world BUT that doesnt make what happened to you any less painful or any less worthy of sympathy.

There are so many people in the country (and on this forum) who just hate anything American right now - I bet if the post had been about Beslan no one would have spouted the same crap. Just because people disagree with Bushs policies doesnt mean all Americans are fair game and that they dont deserve to be remembered with the same dignity and respect that we afford to non Americans (oh and dont anyone give me the shit about americans not treating people with respect or atrocities they may have commited - there isnt a nation in the world that can look back at its recent and distant history with pride and a knowledge that they are whiter than white and that includes the UK)

Jay

[Holden MacGroyn]

"By taking your argument to the next level then you wouldnt feel sympathy for anything or anyone as nothing is a unique event and none of the things mentioned above are any more horrific or notable than any of the others. "

Not quite & hardly.
I've already said I feel for the victims and their families.
This isn't the first time this issue has been raised on here and I've made my opinions know in the past, so that's a unfair assumption really.

Here's one.
The hurricanes sweeping coastal America.
This one my friend is just for you.
Did you know that Hurricane Mitch, in 1998 swept through Central America and killed over 10,000 people?
That's right. 10,000.
The associated press went as far as to say 20,000 were dead or missing, presumed dead.

-"Hurricane Mitch killed more than 10000 people. The
survivors aren't getting the support they hoped for,
says Mike Crawley."


-"Winds reached 300 km/h and more than 120 cm of rain fell. More than 20000 people died or are missing and presumed dead. The majority of those were in Honduras, with some 3000 in Nicaragua."

source -


I haven't heard a single word said about that since the day, apart from a quick 10 second stat on radio today, even though the devastation was shown on the TV worldwide!

If we were to feel for each and every person who has died, our lives would be bordering insanity and suicide.
Realistically & psychologically, it just isn't possible.
We do however from time to time, make the right noises in the right places.
9/11 being just another such scenario.
It was played out live and we feel more because of it, but so was Hurricane Mitch.
20,000 dead.
Could I take a stab in the dark and guess that you haven't thought about it since?

I have been reminded of it from time to time as a lot of my family live in America.
I've also said that my sister worked in the Trade Towers and I felt the agony that day.
I'm not bringing politics into this, more a case of human consumption for disaster and hypocritical attitudes towards it.