Taking the blame

[Lizard]

I couldn,t have put it better myself Dippy!, no! really I couldn,t, and Carac, I do understand your feelings towards those that govern, and didn,t want to specifically drag the debate over to Moore, but you mentioned F9/11 in the original post, and as Moore was responsible for making it, I just siezed the oppurtunity to cunt him off....

Have you fried me that haggis yet??

[Pervert]

Deep frying it now.

[Pervert]

We knew that anyway---Kennedy and then Johnson were in during the early stages of Vietnam.

The difference between the war last year and the second world war was that after Pearl Harbour the US didn't attack Papua New Guinea. Al Qaida is mostly made up of Saudis, bin Laden is a Saudi, most of the September 11 hijackers were Saudi. So it's natural that the Middle East country with least in common with al Qaida (apart from Israel) should be attacked.

I'd rather hoped, after the fall of the easten bloc, that we could live in a world without fear. But obviously there's no money in peace---no massive defence spending, no huge arms contracts.

[Illinoisblue]

Lock him up and throw away the key?


from www.michaelmoore.com:

Republicans, Out of Ideas, Ask Prosecutors to Arrest Michael Moore


10/6/04

Dear Friends,

You may have heard by now that the Michigan Republican Party has called for my arrest. That's right. They literally want me brought up on charges -- and hope that I'm locked up.

No, I'm not kidding. The Republican Party, yesterday, filed a criminal complaint with the prosecutors in each of the counties where I spoke last week in Michigan.

My crime? Clean underwear for anyone who will vote in the upcoming election.

Each night on our 60-city "Slacker Uprising Tour" through the 20 battleground states, I've been registering hundreds (and on some nights, thousands) of voters at my arena and stadium events. I then ask for everyone over 23 who has never voted (or didn't vote in the last election) to stand up. I tell these slackers that I understand and respect why they think politicians are not worth the bother. I tell them that I may have been the original slacker, and that I do not want them to change their slacker ways. Keep sleeping 'til noon! Keep drinking beer! Stay on the sofa and watch as much TV as possible! But, please, just for me, on 11/2, I want you to leave the house and give voting a try -- just this once. The stakes this time are just too high.

If they promise me that they'll do this, I give the guys a 3-pack of new Fruit of the Loom underwear, and the women get a day's supply of Ramen noodles, the sustenance of slackers everywhere.

I then close by having them repeat the 2004 Slacker Oath: "Pick nose! Pick butt! Pick Kerry."

It seems to have worked, as each night the volunteer tables are swamped afterwards with hundreds of new and young voters signing up to campaign for regime change for the next four weeks.

The satire of all this seems to have been lost on the Republicans. Or maybe it hasn't. The state of Michigan (where we spent most of last week) reported that over 100,000 young people recently registered to vote, a record that no one saw coming. The Slacker Tour has turned into a huge steamroller with a momentum all its own.

So, the Republican Party, to show their gratitude that so many young people will now be involved in our system, has demanded that I be sent to jail for trying to "bribe" students to vote.

Of course, this would be quite laughable if they weren't so serious about their charges. But they are. I may soon be a wanted man in Michigan -- simply because I convinced a few slackers to change their underwear and eat a healthy meal of artificially flavored noodles.

I thought I'd seen it all this year -- Disney refusing to distribute the film they paid for, right-wingers harassing theater owners who showed "Fahrenheit 9/11," conservative action groups trying to get the FEC to kick our film ads off the air, the unnecessary restrictive R-rating that forced teenagers to sneak in to see it, and all the stupid, crazy attacks on me and my movie that I've had to listen to as I watched the public ignore them and pack the movie houses anyway, where my film was being shown. And when all that failed, five different Republican groups made five different attack dog tapes (oops, "documentaries"!) against me in a period of about six weeks. But they were all so bad, so boring, so right-wing, no one wanted to watch them and they too went away, a sad waste of good videotape.

Now, after enduring all this, with no tricks left in their bag, they've just decided, "Let's toss his sorry ass behind bars -- him and his noodles and his gift of clean underwear!"

My friends, they will not catch me. Though I may be on the run, and I may never be able to return home to my beloved Michigan, I make this solemn vow to you and yours: The slackers of America shall not be denied their noodles, they will proudly wear their clean underwear as free Americans, and they will vote Bush out of office come November 2nd (though they will not show up to the polls until well after noon)!

Stay strong, stay slacker, and please remember to turn the underwear inside out every three days. As for the noodles, add boiling water, stir.

Yours,

Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com

P.S. My favorite moment of the VP debate: Cheney saying to the moderator that this was the first he heard that that many black women in America had AIDS. Clueless. Cheney, for an entire 90-minutes, only mentioned Bush's name -- that's his running mate, the "president" -- once. They should have called this the "President (Cheney) -- Vice President (Edwards) Debate."

P.P.S. Tomorrow's letter, as promised for today, will be about my new book, "Will They Ever Trust Us Again?: Letters from the War Zone." And thanks, everyone, for sending "Fahrenheit 9/11" on its first day to #1 on Amazon. If you find that your store didn't order enough copies, or to report other problems, please e-mail Sony Home video at HeySony@michaelmoore.com

[Pervert]

No, we discovered that Bush Senior had no sense of proportion.

Was it not he who announced: "We won the cold war!" A major moment in 20th century politics turned into another chance for the Americans to wave the flag.

Pledging allegiance to the flag 800 times a day doesn't make you patriotic.

[Spook]

"communism and socialism failed in Europe."

Depends entirely what you mean by socialism.

Do you count Sweden as a socialist economy?

"and would fail in the USA, if it were ever to take root...plain and simple."

Again this depends entirely on what you mean by socialism.

"simply pointing out a fact that many leftists want to sweep under the rug:"

As you consistently fail to define what you mean by "leftist" or "socialist" you have not stated anything that even approaches a fact - you are merely stating a meaningless and ill-defined opinion.

[Pervert]

It wasn't you I was accusing of waving the flag, but daddy Bush. Easiest way of getting a rousing reception to any speech is to end it with "God bless America," with a hint of an emotional break in your voice.

There is no -ism that works perfectly anywhere. Communism works well in village communities, as Israel has shown with the kibbutz. Push it into a large and industrial society, and its faults become apparent.

For any philosophy to work it needs people to follow it completely. Human weaknesses, like greed and ambition and a self of self-importance, preclude that ever happening.

Democracy itself is a flawed system, no matter which voting apparatus is used. PR is probably best, since it gives more voices a representative say. But it also means that no one party holds sway, so there is no one distinctive style.

As for the electoral college used in presidential elections----sorry, BC, but it makes little or no sense to me.