Michael Moore's reaction to 4 more years of Bush

[MensWorldMayfair]

Bimmercat, does the word 'reactionary' mean anything to you? Why the constant, "if you don't like it here, why don't you leave" line? You consistently ruin any cogent argument you might present by tacking this on to the end of every comment.

As citizens of democracies, it's our RIGHT to criticise government when we feel they do not significantly represent our interests, whatever they may be.

I have no doubt that Michael Moore loves America deeply. The fact is, he and 48 per cent of your voters on the day don't like the guy who won. I'd say 48 per cent represents a fairly significant number of Americans.

And why France? Is this some misguided, snide remark on France's reticence to become involved in the Iraq conflict? A conflict based on an immediate and present threat which didn't exist? And one which was then spun into regime change (incidentally illegal under the UN charter). Feel free to run out the line about France benefitting from the Oil for Food programme, and I'll happily counter that with a lot of information about Haliburton, Rumsfeld and the many and various dodgy deals that have gone on with the Taliban and in Iraq.

You and I both live in democracies where free speech should be embraced, even when we disagree with it. Without it, we live in a much darker world. I'd remind you that in your political history, several people have died upholding values such as free speech. Including 1000 US servicemen and women in Iraq and, as of yesterday, three fellow Scotsmen to add to the UK tally. I believe our combined forces are now supposed to be there to lead up to free elections in Iraq. And part and parcel of that will be free speech.

[MensWorldMayfair]

Another thought comes to mind, and one which will affect you over there. Let's see how long it takes John Ashcroft (or indeed his upcoming replacement) to focus properly on hardcore production in the USA.

It's been mooted for a long time, but then Iraq got in the way. I know for a fact that the vast majority of the US porn industry is now really, really concerned for its well being.

[Marblehead Johnson]

Bimmercat, perhaps you would like to point out the "half-truths, misleading imagery and creative editing" in the film?

[mart]

I somehow don't think this will include MM. But at least it will mean an influx of intelligent, liberal people.

Election losers may look to NZ
05 November 2004

Americans unhappy with their country's choice of president are tipped to turn their backs on the United States and some might move to New Zealand.
Ronald Nelson, who heads the New Zealand chapter of Americans Overseas for Kerry, said he had already had an inquiry from a friend about the possibility of moving to New Zealand.
The man, a senior staffer with the Kerry campaign, and his wife had put their home on the market.
Gay couples feeling they were the "whipping boys" of the Republican campaign could also look to leave the US, Mr Nelson said.
But it was such a big decision he did not expect a large increase in the numbers of Americans coming to New Zealand.
Wellington Regional Chamber of Commerce chief executive Phil Lewin, who is also a director of the US-NZ Business Council, said immigration numbers from the US had been strong since the September 11 terrorist attacks.
"Obviously, New Zealand is more interesting and attractive."

Mart

[Holden MacGroyn]

I'm sure the Native Indians said the same thing to the invaders before they were slaughtered.

Your argument is flawed Bim. The whole "If you don't ike it, leave..." thing is a reactionary statement that doesn't help in the slightest.
The argument , if followed thru, would result in a single state control.
If you agree with us, live here, if not, fuck off to an agreeable country.
That's shit and is totallitarian democracy! The whole point should be "Freedom of speech." Something that the US likes to claim it has, but then negates with the "If you don't like it..." crock.