Dutch to ban the burkah

[nachovx]

At least some countries don't pussyfoot around, unlike the shower we have in Westminster and the PC brigade who have the rest of us in a stranglehold, for the time being.

[Officer Dibble]

Excellent news, nachovx. Burkahs look fucking ugly and idiotic. They're a blot on the landscape. Also, any PC bashing news is always guaranteed to put a spring in my step.... Happy days are here again, tra-la-la-la-la, tra-la-la-la-la, ...


Officer Dibble - floating back to the station

[Deuce Bigolo]

As one male Muslim in France said to some Muslim Women in a Documentary about the banning of the hijab in schools

"Obey the laws now so you can pass your exams so in 30/40 years when we have the upper hand we can take our revenge"

What next Officer,all tops to be made without no Hoods?

I see the banning of the burkah as nothing more than a symbolic statement of power and nothing to do with this wa wa of keeping state & religion seperate

The fact that the Dutch & Immigrants are sending their kids to seperate schools says tolerance has gone out the window from both sides IMHO

cheers
B....OZ

[stripeysydney]

it is a difficult one this one,im all for religious tolerance, but one thing the Muslims do not under any circumstance like to admit under any circumstance that their and i emphasize their holy book the qur'an
stipulates in certain sections [known as surats]; a muslim may and can kill a person.Even if that person has helped or is a friend of the muslim,because the other person is not a muslim so it is acceptable.
They really like to keep that one quiet.
the other gem is the Islamic law of Sharia which states that anyone who leaves the Islamic faith is guilty of apostacy and that is punishable by death.
A tolerant religion?

[Officer Dibble]

"They really like to keep that one quiet.
the other gem is the Islamic law of Sharia which states that anyone who leaves the Islamic faith is guilty of apostacy and that is punishable by death.
A tolerant religion?"

Quite. In fact there are all sorts of abhorrent (to our liberal way of life) things about Islam that we should be far less understanding and tolerant of. We should say 'Hey, if you want to come here and take advantage of our superior standard of living, that's OK, we need a bit of colour and diversity. But these are the house rules. They are non negotiable. So, you either fall in line with us and our liberal, secular, ways or don't bother coming at all?.

What pisses me off is all the poncy pandering by middleclass PC types, bending over backwards to accommodate any and every Islamic whim, just because of their affected guilt over the British Raj or similar colonial institution. Fuckin' wankers. What gets me is that they are always mouthing off about 'wimmin's rights' but when you point out that 'wimmin' have few or no rights under many Islamic regimes and are little more than chattels of their husbands, they clear their throats, look at their watches, and sudenly remember a prior appointment elsewhere. Tossers.


Officer Dibble

[Pervert]

I realise this next line will anathema to the Officer and a number of other forumites, but there was a pretty good Channel documentary on the "Islamic" justification for terrorist attacks. It was mostly scholars and academics, rather than terror experts, but it suggested that those behind the "kill the infidel philosophy" have nothing to do with mainstream Muslim thinking. It's a sect that used to be followed by very few people---but those few included (and still includes) the Saudi royal family, and that means bin Laden and family too.

The argument voiced several times, and repeated at intervals over the years, is that the suicide bombers and those that send them out have as much to do with Islam as the robe-wearing, cross-burning KKK have to do with Christianity.

Ban the burkah? Fine, go right ahead. It makes as much sense as banning people from wearing crosses or saints' medals around their necks.

[Officer Dibble]

You may be right about the Islamic scholars and academics (fucking middle classes again, innit?). I imagine the vast majority of Muslims just pay lip service to Islam and go along with it because the rest of the folks on their street do so. I imagine what they are really interested in is simply making some wedge and having a comfortable, prosperous life, like most normal folks. But you cannot deny that Islam and Islamic culture views women very much as second class citizens and they are actively discouraged from becoming involved in any activity that is seen as being the preserve of men (on pain of death in some instances). So, isn?t this reason enough for us to disparage Islam? There are other reasons ? like, no drinking, smoking or shagging (fuck that). But the ?wimmin? one will be the one our wonderful poncy middle classes will get themselves into a hand wringing frenzy over. Their middleclass instincts will be to be all poncy, understanding and ?inclusive?, but at the same time they?ll be horrified at the way ?wmmin? are viewed in Islamic society. Ha, ha, ha. What a predicament, eh?


?Ban the burkah? Fine, go right ahead. It makes as much sense as banning people from wearing crosses or saints' medals around their necks.?

On the contrary. Banning Burkahs makes perfect sense ? because they?re fucking ugly and offensive. However, you may have more sympathy with idea that they are an instrument of the oppression of ?wimmin? in Islamic society. A symbol that marks them out as a particular group of citizens who should barley been seen and certainly not heard.


Officer Dibble

[Deuce Bigolo]

Yes many are treated as 2nd class citizens but thats got bugger all to do with Islam and everything to do with the Culture of those specific people IMHO

As one Adelaide Muslim Cleric said

"Unfortunately,many Muslims are unaware or ignorant about True Islamic teachings,due to their lack of education.Such Muslims practice a distorted Islam,which has been contaminated by their cultural traditions,which have no islamic basis

"Judge a religion by its teachings and not by people who claim to be its followers"

Not every Islamic Society treats women like the Taliban tried to

I don't see secular societies really having the right to take the moral high ground when its only been in the last 20/30 years that women have been let of the leash so to speak

Back to the Burhkah

Ban it by all means but lets stop lieing about why its being banned
The link between it and potential terrorism sounds like WMD all over again

If and when a terrorist uses the Burhkah to carry out a bombing then by all means ban it but until then,why stir up a hornets nest?.

cheers
B....OZ

[Cenobitez]

You know long time ago, i read a long winded joke, about a white man and a pakistani (pc?), where by the white man complained to the pakistani, and the pakistani proceeded to says 5 yrs ago i came here with no money, signed on, now have a house a car, and 4 kids and a 2 a wife and a mistress all claiming money, 3 yrs ago i moved my botheres and sisters over who all claim, last year my mum and dad and couisnes all claiming driving nice cars and owning shops while claiming, and it carried on and at the end it said "i like country weather not good, but too good for whiteman, if you not like me here plenty room in pakistan" or something along those lines, and to me thats how it seems, its a case of

I'm a foreigner in your country and i dont like it, so change your laws to suite me...

When it should be Dont like england ? TOUGH go home then

[Officer Dibble]

"Yes many are treated as 2nd class citizens but that?s got bugger all to do with Islam and everything to do with the Culture of those specific people IMHO"

I'll agree there's a lot in that argument, Deuce. But in Islamic countries it?s Islam that sets the tone and the scene. Is there much difference between religion and culture in many of the Middle Eastern countries? Can you separate one from another?

I was listening to a TV studio discussion on whether Turkey should be allowed to join our EU club, a few days ago. A British woman (of Turkish ethnicity) piped up and said she found the prospect disquieting. She had recently returned from a trip to 'the old country' to visit distant relations and was appalled that ordinary Turkish women felt obliged to stand up whenever a man entered the room and only speak when spoken to. And Turkey?s one of the most liberal and enlightened Islamic countries!

Should we ban the Burkah? My heart says yes but my head says no. But if we don't ban it we should make it pretty clear that we find it idiotic, distasteful, and abhorrent. We should ridicule and 'diss it' at ever opportunity. Then, hopefully, that particular naff tradition will die out of it's own accord.



Officer Dibble

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