I may not be a highly paid politician, civil servant or policeman but hasn't the problems with underage drinking multiplied since the advent of every corner shop being issued with a drinks license. I doubt many youngsters try to buy drink from the major supermarkets, pub off licenses (not many of them left) or the High Street Threshers etc. They buy it from Mr Patels corner shop where for a ridiculously low price you can get a 2 litre bottle of 7% proof White Lightning or other such cider that will lay the little darlings out in no time. If the government are serious about the problem, revoke all licenses for these premises and the problem will improve dramatically.
I for one am sick to death of crowds of yobs loitering round every shopping precinct in the country, screaming obscenities at each other and anyone passing as well as intimidating everyone whilst fuelled up on their cheap booze. I know I should feel sorry for them as although they have their xbox, tv & dvd player etc in their bedrooms, wear designer hoodies and nike trainers they are deprived and it is societies fault that they are like they are but I would birch the lot of them and that problem would also disappear.
Underage drinking
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Re: Underage drinking
"Apologies for the radical ideas here...but, how about, just an idea mind you, a society where people behave themselves in public..."
Well, yes. But left to their own devices some types of people will not behave themselves. In fact in the absence of any opprobrium, public contempt and sanctions, as well as today?s general apathy and complacency, they take it as a green light to behave in whatever manner takes their moronic fancy. The social problems that are emerging today are a result of the removal of sanctions, finger pointing and contempt for these lowlife simpletons. We have been admonished by the naive middle classes (safe in their leafy suburbs) for being 'prejudiced' against idiots, wasters and losers. We have been coerced to show them 'respect', as any shortcomings on their part must be because they are 'disadvantaged' 'underprivileged' or leading 'alternative lifestyles'. But when you respect morons and validate their wanky ways it only gives them the green light to be even more moronic. Why should they make the effort to behave and improve themselves when some earnest soft twat from a leafy suburb, armed with a brand new sociology degree, is stupid enough to respect them and pay them taxpayers money for doing nothing more than continuing to breed even more of their useless ilk?
Officer Dibble
Well, yes. But left to their own devices some types of people will not behave themselves. In fact in the absence of any opprobrium, public contempt and sanctions, as well as today?s general apathy and complacency, they take it as a green light to behave in whatever manner takes their moronic fancy. The social problems that are emerging today are a result of the removal of sanctions, finger pointing and contempt for these lowlife simpletons. We have been admonished by the naive middle classes (safe in their leafy suburbs) for being 'prejudiced' against idiots, wasters and losers. We have been coerced to show them 'respect', as any shortcomings on their part must be because they are 'disadvantaged' 'underprivileged' or leading 'alternative lifestyles'. But when you respect morons and validate their wanky ways it only gives them the green light to be even more moronic. Why should they make the effort to behave and improve themselves when some earnest soft twat from a leafy suburb, armed with a brand new sociology degree, is stupid enough to respect them and pay them taxpayers money for doing nothing more than continuing to breed even more of their useless ilk?
Officer Dibble
Re: Underage drinking
Sorry I know this probably isn't the proper place to write some thing serious but the trouble with this and other youth related problems is that often the people complaining either don't do it to the correct people when they have a problem or don't know what powers are available to them.
Added to that is the fact that the powers that be can't often be arsed.
The low-life have to be dealt with but they have to be dealt with properly.
Banning the sales of alcohol in corner shops may affect some but it won't deal with the issue for all.
I've actually been told that when a certain underage drinker was taken home for being drunk and disorderly the first thing the parents asked was were is the alcohol you?ve confiscated, I bought it, and it?s my property.
When I was given the response I immediately asked so what did you do to the parent the answer............... NOTHING! and the little dear was free to do the same the next weekend.
I know I'll probably get stick for writing this but if the police and councils actually used the powers they have to deal with these problems they would reduce.
Sorry for this being long winded but I've had a lot of dealings with those who are supposed to deal with anti-social behaviour and it's something that I feel very strongly about.
If anyone has problems the best (and sorry serious) advice I could is go to your local council and ask for a copy of it's Community Safety Strategy.
Every council should have one and in it there should be aims, objectives and targets to deal with problems.
I've found it a very useful tool to make the Police and others squirm in their seats. Just asking why they aren't doing what they are allegedly committed to do, has a wonderful affect.
I've found the best way to get things done, after asking nicely, is make the people who should & could deal with the issues look idiots, in public if possible.
They hate the negative publicity and all of a sudden start to do things.
Added to that is the fact that the powers that be can't often be arsed.
The low-life have to be dealt with but they have to be dealt with properly.
Banning the sales of alcohol in corner shops may affect some but it won't deal with the issue for all.
I've actually been told that when a certain underage drinker was taken home for being drunk and disorderly the first thing the parents asked was were is the alcohol you?ve confiscated, I bought it, and it?s my property.
When I was given the response I immediately asked so what did you do to the parent the answer............... NOTHING! and the little dear was free to do the same the next weekend.
I know I'll probably get stick for writing this but if the police and councils actually used the powers they have to deal with these problems they would reduce.
Sorry for this being long winded but I've had a lot of dealings with those who are supposed to deal with anti-social behaviour and it's something that I feel very strongly about.
If anyone has problems the best (and sorry serious) advice I could is go to your local council and ask for a copy of it's Community Safety Strategy.
Every council should have one and in it there should be aims, objectives and targets to deal with problems.
I've found it a very useful tool to make the Police and others squirm in their seats. Just asking why they aren't doing what they are allegedly committed to do, has a wonderful affect.
I've found the best way to get things done, after asking nicely, is make the people who should & could deal with the issues look idiots, in public if possible.
They hate the negative publicity and all of a sudden start to do things.
Re: Underage drinking
You hit the nail exactly on the head mucho_matcho_man.
Yes it is a hell of a lot of hard work, you do have to be persistant and keep on top of things. It is wrong and the Police should be proactive but the reality is they aren't.
I take your point about councillors and some can't be arsed until election times BUT complaining and giving them the negative press does work and if it doesn't when they come knocking on your door you can say *$%@ off" and when they ask why you can tell them exactly.
If you do it via the letters page in the local paper and all constituents see them deliberately failing they hate it.
The biggest thing is when you say even if you get them to start acting, they'll soon stop if they think you've stopped checking, because the attitude is only to do as little as they can get away with - and if nobody complains, it's not a problem (for them).
Don't give them the excuse, be a pain in the arse (if needed) and make it known to them that they must do the job.
Brearbear I am not sure if it's like the people charter John Major created but it was introduced as part of the 1998 Crime & Disorder Act.
I was amazed when I stumbled onto it because it gives ways of dealing with virtually every problem and tells Councils that they must create a strategy.
Yes it is a hell of a lot of hard work, you do have to be persistant and keep on top of things. It is wrong and the Police should be proactive but the reality is they aren't.
I take your point about councillors and some can't be arsed until election times BUT complaining and giving them the negative press does work and if it doesn't when they come knocking on your door you can say *$%@ off" and when they ask why you can tell them exactly.
If you do it via the letters page in the local paper and all constituents see them deliberately failing they hate it.
The biggest thing is when you say even if you get them to start acting, they'll soon stop if they think you've stopped checking, because the attitude is only to do as little as they can get away with - and if nobody complains, it's not a problem (for them).
Don't give them the excuse, be a pain in the arse (if needed) and make it known to them that they must do the job.
Brearbear I am not sure if it's like the people charter John Major created but it was introduced as part of the 1998 Crime & Disorder Act.
I was amazed when I stumbled onto it because it gives ways of dealing with virtually every problem and tells Councils that they must create a strategy.