BBFC and PC?

[DanG]

I'm just looking at the BBFC sidebar, where I see 'Black 4 Black X -No Honkies Here Please!!' has been passed R18.

Would the BBFC pass a title with 'No Darkies Allowed' (or stronger) in it? I very much doubt it.

Seems like another symptom of the 'Only white people can be racist' PC mentality to me, I'm afraid to say....

[DanG]

Mods, can you move this please...I've gone and posted it in the wrong bloody forum!

[Flat_Eric]

DanG wrote:

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Absolutely. Black-on-white racism can be just as nasty and posionous as the white-on-black variety - but it's probably "racist" to even suggest such a thing!

[DavidS]

Yes, the same thought crossed my mind when I saw it.

[randyandy]

Interesting point. I've emailed them and asked and will let you know their reply IF they send one.

[randyandy]

As previously mentioned this is the reply from the BBFC:

BLACK 4 BLACK X - NO HONKIES HERE PLEASE!!

Thank you for your email regarding this 'R18' title. I can confirm that
this work has been classified 'R18' for video/DVD release.

The BBFC’s classification decisions, and its ‘Consumer Advice’,
are made in
line with published guidelines and the available research evidence. The
classification guidelines are a product of both experience and an
extensive
public consultation process which is repeated regularly. Over eleven
thousand people contributed to the most recent revision of the
guidelines.
These guidelines are available on our main website
(http://www.bbfc.co.uk)
under the section headed 'downloads'.

As a result of these consultation exercises, the BBFC has been made
aware
that at the adult category (of which 'R18' is specifically dedicated to
explicitly detailed sex works) the British public have broadly informed
us
that they consider that adults should be free to choose their own
entertainment, within the law. The BBFC will only intervene at these
categories if the works depict illegal or harmful activity, eg breaches
of
the Obscene Publications Act or incitement to racial hatred, amongst
others.

The examiners judged that this title did not incite racial hatred or
otherwise breach any UK legislation. 'Honkies' is an American word from
the
1970s or before, which is not in contemporary use in this country as a
vicious or racist epithet. This title appears to be part of a tradition
of
tongue-in-cheek porn titles which attempts to wittily outline the
specific
proclivity or preference on offer in the work, often referencing other
works and genres. BLACK 4 BLACK X - NO HONKIES HERE PLEASE!! is a sex
work
with an American-African emphasis, and the use of 'honkies' was judged
not
to be racially offensive within this context. Other examples of 'R18'
titles which might be controversial in any other context than 'R18'
include
BRITISH ETHNIC HONEYZ, WHITE BOY STOMP 13, PUSSY GALORE and ETHNIC GANG
BANG. In addition, 'R18' works are only available from licensed sex
shops,
so access is strictly limited.

Many people are offended, some of them deeply, by language with a
religious
or racial association and by language which offends other, sometimes
vulnerable, minorities. The extent of that offence varies according to
age,
gender, race, background, beliefs and expectations brought by viewers
to
the genre on offer. The BBFC would be unlikely to pass out material
likely
to incite racial hatred or which raises a real harm issue. In this
context, it would be unlikely that the Board would pass a title with
the
word 'darkies', or stronger, in it.

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to contact us. Please be
assured
that the BBFC takes these issues seriously, and that your comments will
be
noted.

Yours sincerely,


J L Green
Chief Assistant (Policy)

[dynatech]

Well there you are then - why doesn't one of the more anti-pc pornographers (Dibble perhaps?) test this bullshit out and make a movie entitles "White On White - No Nig-Nogs Allowed"

After all, I haven't heard that term used since I was a kid, therefore it is unoffensive!

[strictlybroadband]

The "Only White People Can Be Racist PC Mentality" seems to be a figment of your imagination. I've never met anyone, black, white or purple, who believes that only white people can be racist. It's only the Daily Mail crowd that invents this kind of nonsense.

As far as offensive words are concerned: if enough people consider "honkie" to be offensive, they should complain and prevent the word being used. As a honkie myself, I don't find this word offensive, because it's a 1970s black American word so it's only used tongue-in-cheek nowadays.

However if you feel offended, you should complain. Do you feel offended, or are you just in the mood for whinging?

[strictlybroadband]

Flat_Eric wrote:
> Absolutely. Black-on-white racism can be just as nasty and
> posionous as the white-on-black variety - but it's probably
> "racist" to even suggest such a thing!

Yawn! No, it's not racist to suggest such a thing. It's the truth, and I've never met anyone of any colour who says otherwise. But, as I said in my other post, it's a good thing for people who like whinging to whinge about. You clearly enjoy whinging.

[strictlybroadband]

You seem to not understand a simple point: it's for white people to decide whether honkie is offensive, and it's for black people to decide whether nig-nog is offensive. You can't decide what should or should not offend a racial group unless you belong to that group.

Do you really think that honkie is offensive or are you just pre-menstrual?