Churchill On Islam
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c.j.jaxxon
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Re: Churchill On Islam
Is that all he has to say about Islam? I wonder if he studied other religions at that time because in them days American Slavery of Africans here was justified by that damn Christian Bible!
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strictlybroadband
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Sam Slater wrote:
> [quote]It was only his invasion of Poland that upset them, not
> his domestic policies.[/quote]
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> So you'd have wanted Churchill to declare war on Germany
> because of Hitlers 'internal' affairs?
Correct - Hitler was undertaking a genocide.
> If so, then the recent
> Iraqi war was justified, regardless of the lack of 'WMD's'.
Nope. Saddam carried out mass murder in the late-80s, early-90s. On that basis an intervention would have been valid. But 2003 was a leeetle bit late.
I believe that genocide is a valid reason to intervene, so long as colonial powers don't use it as an excuse to occupy countries rich in (say) oil.
> My guess is that Churchill was being a politician, and 'being'
> political. In other words, he was being as polite as he could
> (until the invasion of Poland). It doesn't mean he liked
> Hitler.
He's been well recorded as admiring Hitler, along with most of the Conservative establishment of the day.
> [quote]It was only his invasion of Poland that upset them, not
> his domestic policies.[/quote]
>
> So you'd have wanted Churchill to declare war on Germany
> because of Hitlers 'internal' affairs?
Correct - Hitler was undertaking a genocide.
> If so, then the recent
> Iraqi war was justified, regardless of the lack of 'WMD's'.
Nope. Saddam carried out mass murder in the late-80s, early-90s. On that basis an intervention would have been valid. But 2003 was a leeetle bit late.
I believe that genocide is a valid reason to intervene, so long as colonial powers don't use it as an excuse to occupy countries rich in (say) oil.
> My guess is that Churchill was being a politician, and 'being'
> political. In other words, he was being as polite as he could
> (until the invasion of Poland). It doesn't mean he liked
> Hitler.
He's been well recorded as admiring Hitler, along with most of the Conservative establishment of the day.
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strictlybroadband
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Re: Churchill On Islam
c.j.jaxxon wrote:
> Is that all he has to say about Islam? I wonder if he studied
> other religions at that time because in them days American
> Slavery of Africans here was justified by that damn Christian
> Bible!
CJ, although it's often forgotten, Churchill was an old-school British colonialist, and was probably rather sad that slavery had been abolished. He did his best, in his early career, to kill dark-skinned natives.
The British population of the day didn't like him much. He was never voted in as Prime Minister, and the first time they had the chance, they voted him out (1945). But time fades memories, as you can see on this thread.
He was fond of WMD, and Saddam wasn't the first to use chemical weapons on the Kurds - Winnie was! Here's an extract from his Wikipedia entry: "In 1920, as Secretary for War and Air, Churchill had responsibility for quelling the rebellion of Kurds and Arabs in British-occupied Iraq, which he achieved by authorising the use of poison gas."
After he fell from power, one of his little "projects" was to fund a military coup to topple the last democratic government in Iran. In summary, he was a thoroughly nasty piece of work. It's a shame many British know so little of their own history.
> Is that all he has to say about Islam? I wonder if he studied
> other religions at that time because in them days American
> Slavery of Africans here was justified by that damn Christian
> Bible!
CJ, although it's often forgotten, Churchill was an old-school British colonialist, and was probably rather sad that slavery had been abolished. He did his best, in his early career, to kill dark-skinned natives.
The British population of the day didn't like him much. He was never voted in as Prime Minister, and the first time they had the chance, they voted him out (1945). But time fades memories, as you can see on this thread.
He was fond of WMD, and Saddam wasn't the first to use chemical weapons on the Kurds - Winnie was! Here's an extract from his Wikipedia entry: "In 1920, as Secretary for War and Air, Churchill had responsibility for quelling the rebellion of Kurds and Arabs in British-occupied Iraq, which he achieved by authorising the use of poison gas."
After he fell from power, one of his little "projects" was to fund a military coup to topple the last democratic government in Iran. In summary, he was a thoroughly nasty piece of work. It's a shame many British know so little of their own history.
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"He was never voted in as Prime Minister"
Churchill was voted in as Prime Minister in 1951. So I suppose somebody must have thought he was worth voting for.
Churchill was voted in as Prime Minister in 1951. So I suppose somebody must have thought he was worth voting for.
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Strictlybroadband wrote:
"Correct - Hitler was undertaking a genocide."
I think SB, that your are all over the place with your facts and figures! The ' Jewish Question' was not decided until Heydrich convened the ' Wannsee conference ' in January 42 which is usually accepted as the start of ' The Final Solution ' well after Britain declared war on Germany.
"Correct - Hitler was undertaking a genocide."
I think SB, that your are all over the place with your facts and figures! The ' Jewish Question' was not decided until Heydrich convened the ' Wannsee conference ' in January 42 which is usually accepted as the start of ' The Final Solution ' well after Britain declared war on Germany.
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That is totally correct Alex. The decision to exterminate the Jews was taken at the Wannsee Conference in 1942. This meeting was chaired by Heydrich.
There is no evidence that Churchill ever liked Hitler. He was one of the few British politicians to have voiced concerns about Hitler's foreign policy in the mid 1930's. Few would argue that the Nazi regime was other than evil but in the 1930's there was a far worst one. Stalin's Soviet Union.
There is no evidence that Churchill ever liked Hitler. He was one of the few British politicians to have voiced concerns about Hitler's foreign policy in the mid 1930's. Few would argue that the Nazi regime was other than evil but in the 1930's there was a far worst one. Stalin's Soviet Union.
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strictlybroadband
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Sorry, although you're right about Wannsee, it was not the start of the holocaust, but a change in gear. Jews were under genocidal levels of persecution well before 1942; the start of the holocaust can best be traced to Kristallnacht, in 1938.
My own German relatives fled the holocaust in the 30s, not the 40s.
My own German relatives fled the holocaust in the 30s, not the 40s.
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You're right - Churchill's second term in office was easily forgotten, as I've just shown.
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I remembered it, so not that easily forgotten and he was liked by the British public enough to be elected.
If you do date the start of the holocaust to 1938, the only well known political figure in the UK in 1938 who advocated stronger measures against Germany was Churchill.
Regarding the John Samson quote about Churchill not making peace with the Nazis in 1940 from the link, all that would have done is give them more time to perfect their rockets, jet planes and possibly atomic weapons. Do anyone really think we should have just made peace with Germany when half of Europe was under Nazi rule?
If you do date the start of the holocaust to 1938, the only well known political figure in the UK in 1938 who advocated stronger measures against Germany was Churchill.
Regarding the John Samson quote about Churchill not making peace with the Nazis in 1940 from the link, all that would have done is give them more time to perfect their rockets, jet planes and possibly atomic weapons. Do anyone really think we should have just made peace with Germany when half of Europe was under Nazi rule?