moaning muslims???

[strictlybroadband]

Mojo wrote:

> I ride a motorcycle, so mobile users especially get on my tits!
> !furious!

I cycle, and yes, me too. I owe my life to the fact that I've spotted wankers turning left out of side turnings while talking on their mobile, while they never spotted me because their hand/phone was in the way.

[Mojo]

Try having to have the same vigilance, but that much faster to correspond with having a 1 litre fuel injected engine between your legs!

[Steve R]

strictlybroadband wrote:


> You're convinced that there will be pogroms against Muslims and
> there's nothing we can do about it.
>
> But you're wrong - the Jews were protected from pogroms by
> smashing fascist heads in the 1930s and the blacks were
> protected by smashing NF heads in the 70s. Maybe we need to
> start smashing BNP heads before it's too late.


Can you read, as well as write?

I said that the government, not fascists or BNP, will be forced to take drastic steps to excise the source of this terror.

The Jews and Blacks were not attempting to systematically kill us, or to impose a new system of government upon us.

[strictlybroadband]

Steve R wrote:

> Can you read, as well as write?
>
> I said that the government, not fascists or BNP, will be
> forced to take drastic steps to excise the source of this
> terror.

So you'd also support expulsion/genocide of all Irish people in the UK?

> The Jews and Blacks were not attempting to systematically kill
> us, or to impose a new system of government upon us.

Neither are "The Muslims". You're predicting genocide - in fact you're calling for genocide, even though euphamistically. I think the police might be pointed at your postings.

[Steve R]

strictlybroadband wrote:


> So you'd also support expulsion/genocide of all Irish people in
> the UK?

> You're predicting genocide - in fact
> you're calling for genocide, even though euphamistically. I
> think the police might be pointed at your postings.


Are you out of your mind?

I'm not "supporting" anything. I'm simply telling you what will happen.

I am not "predicting genocide" - I said nothing of the sort.

[Mojo]

I tell you something, if any Muslim calls themself English or even British first and foremost. If they say their family's from (name an English town or city) when asked. If they say things like "Our country shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq", rather than things like "You British attack our people in the Middle East!". If they feel more English/British than they do (name a Muslim country), then yes, I'd accept them, especially if, like most Brits, they take all this religion stuff with a pinch of salt.

[Sam Slater]

I've grown up in a mostly Muslim neighbourhood since I was 7 years old. 3/4's of my friends were Arabic, Yemeni, Pakistani or Bengali. The other 1/4 were white, black mixed race, or Indian.

The majority were Pakistani & Bengali. I went to school with them, we learnt the Bible & Quran together. I helped my friends when they were fasting at Ramadan by fasting myself. I went to Ede parties etc.

Most Muslims do consider themselves British. Most Muslims do respect British law, and customs.........right up until they leave school and become young adults. A greater majority then used to travel to UAE/Yemen/Pakistan/Bangladesh and pick up husbands/wives (and get paid well to marry non British Muslims so as to get others British passports). They may visit Mecca before coming home to Britain a lot richer and with a traditional Muslim husband/wife(mainly wife as most Muslim men don't like to marry British Muslim women as they've learnt to be more independent).

It's around this time of marriage, finding a job that we all lose a few friends from our youth, but while white/black 18-25 year old's went out getting drunk and having sex, a bigger majority of Muslim friends were having families and taking their religion/traditions more seriously, and not avoiding Mosque like they used to at 13-16. There's nothing wrong with that, and they should be applauded for it, but it's no coincidence that I found it was around this time of life that they suddenly started having more problems with British customs, British laws, and withdrawing from integration.

They're more likely to curse white girls with short skirts under their breath, and discuss amongst themselves that whites shouldn't walk around like that in 'their' neighbourhood. It's then they start complaining to the council that the old local pub should be closed because some Muslims may be tempted to pop in for a sly drink, and that it would be better if they got a ?300,000 grant to turn it into a Mosque or Muslim community centre. In larger Muslim communities they start to think that the British police shouldn't get involved in their affairs (like a Muslim girl caught kissing a white/black guy and they kidnap her and beat the living shit out of her till she's nearly dead).

It's the little things that build up, and the bigger the community of Muslims, the more they seem to shrink away from integrating more with fellow Brits.

What's weird is that when I first moved to the (around 60%) Muslim neighbourhood in 84, they all had Sheffield accents, were really friendly, and integrated really well. 22 years later it's around 85% Muslim, half cannot speak English and they're cold and nasty to Somalis, Blacks, Indians, Whites, East Europeans, Malaysian/Spanish/Japanese students that pass by the area.

I think that as more and more Muslims have been allowed to come and live here, the bigger the communities have got, and so the less they feel the need to integrate into our culture. In the 60's and 70's I guess most Muslims lived far apart from each other and came across traditional Brits every day. Living in the middle of a large Muslim community these days they can live, eat, work, shop and pray all week without even needing to speak to a white/black person.

It's these reasons that I don't like the idea of more Muslims migrating onto our shores. It's having the opposite affect to what people wanted; a multi-cultural society. We're just getting mini towns within towns that stop integrating and become suspicious of each other.

I think instead of having white, black, and Muslim neighbourhoods, more should be done where the traditions are more evenly mixed so there's not one dominant culture. They're then more likely to integrate and trust one another.

I could be wrong, but it's just an idea.

[Mojo]

A greater majority then used to travel to UAE/Yemen/Pakistan/Bangladesh and pick up husbands/wives (and get paid well to marry non British Muslims so as to get others British passports). They may visit Mecca before coming home to Britain a lot richer and with a traditional Muslim husband/wife(mainly wife as most Muslim men don't like to marry British Muslim women as they've learnt to be more independent).

This way of getting economic migrants in by the back door should be made illegal. And the very fact that they're drawn to the "homelands" shows that they don't really consider themselves to be true English/Brits. Look at it this way, it seems that I'm part Scottish via one of my grandparents, but I'm not at all drawn to Scotland. i don't identify with Scotland in the least. To me I'm 100% English, and that's how these Muslim people living in England should think.

a bigger majority of Muslim friends were having families and taking their religion/traditions more seriously,

Raising families yes, living by the traditions of a foriegn culture no. look, if I went to the US to live it'd be to become an American. I wouldn't bring the Cross of St. George with me. I guess the only things Icouldn't give up so easily would be some of my English slang. Oh, and I certainly could NEVER give up Only Fools & Horses! !wink!

What's weird is that when I first moved to the (around 60%) Muslim neighbourhood in 84, they all had Sheffield accents, were really friendly, and integrated really well. 22 years later it's around 85% Muslim, half cannot speak English and they're cold and nasty to Somalis, Blacks, Indians, Whites, East Europeans, Malaysian/Spanish/Japanese students that pass by the area.

That's those ghettos I was talking about in the Layla Jade thread, the ones where Americans wouldn't be safe.

It's these reasons that I don't like the idea of more Muslims migrating onto our shores. It's having the opposite affect to what people wanted; a multi-cultural society. We're just getting mini towns within towns that stop integrating and become suspicious of each other.

I think instead of having white, black, and Muslim neighbourhoods, more should be done where the traditions are more evenly mixed so there's not one dominant culture. They're then more likely to integrate and trust one another.

We should not have to integrate with them in our own country. By coming here of their own free will it's up to them to adapt to our ways, not visa-versa.

I don't believe in a multi-cultural England. Multi-racial yes, not multi-cultural, as they obviously don't like Western cultures in their countries of origin.

[strictlybroadband]

Interesting article Sam, thanks.

There seems to be a 3-generation rule for immigrants, that the first generation of immigrants tend to seek out their own countrymen and not integrate well due to language and cultural difficulties. Their children do better but still are half of one culture and half the other. The grandchildren of the original immigrants are the ones who will see themselves as more British than "foreign".

What you've seen in Sheffield is more Muslim immigrants arriving and populating an area already occupied by Muslims, so strengthening the group and weaking the integration of that group with British society as a whole. That hasn't happened so much in London, where there are so many immigrants from all over that ghettos don't form so easily. As a result London council estates are very mixed and the far right don't get a foothold because the local white population is well integrated with non-whites.

Given time, the divisions and tensions go away of their own accord, but it takes a few decades. The biggest cause of tension between immigrants and locals tends to be housing and the poor record of this and previous governments in building enough decent housing is one of the things that is creating ghettos and hostility. If the economy turns down in the current racial climate, it'll lead to problems - which is of course the BNP's strategy... wait for a recession and then provoke riots which further degrade relations.

I think the government needs to act to stop ghettoisation. Multiculturalism is a fake construct and doesn't seem to be working - better have policies that encourage integration BOTH WAYS and prevent ghettos from forming.

[Sam Slater]

Of course you'd become 'americanised' if you moved to America. That's because you'd not have much choice as everyone you came across would be mainly American.

However if you moved to a 'mainly ex-pat' neighbourhood where you could do everyday things without needing to come across many Americans then you'd keep more of your British traditions intact.

I agree with you in that Muslims should make more of an effort to pick up British traditions and culture but you cannot force them to give up 'all' of their own.

I like multiple cultures in a city. It enriches everything. The downside is what I stated in the previous post though, and we should try to make integration easier. Large Muslim communities with their own stores, barbers and schools is nice, but causes them to segregate themselves more, (be it unconsciously or purposely).