Just seen this..Ok he interrupted a load of people in a big room and called it 'a disgrace' etc.So what?Why did he have to get arrested?He was protesting a point.He should have been led away by
stewards and kept out.Bet you he does not get charged with anything.He would have a case for unlawful arrest.Unless he threatened violence it was not a breach of the peace.Yea he was inconvenient but wo betide this land when people cant stand up and shout against what they disagree with.Fair play to him..I dont care what he was ranting about ...theres a principle here!
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Re: Slavery Protestor in Cathedral
The big fuss is because he got within a few yards of Her maj and Bliar.
There aren't too many people in this country making a fuss, We'd rather have a go at those do-gooders at Liberty. But let's look at what's happening, shall we?
Dealing with al Qaida and its backer the Taliban in Afghanistan----had to be done after 9/11. Ignoring al Qaida's backers in Saudi Arabia----not mentioned; hardly seens worth noting.
Invading Iraq. No one really disputes that getting rid of Saddam's regime was a bad thing. But Saddam was an opponent of the extremist forces in Islam, and removing him has given them a foothold in Iraq while the invasion itself served as a clarion call to some Moslems who see their religion under attack from the west (let's not argue the rights/wrongs of that viewpoint; it's how it is).
Anyway, Hussein had no links with al Qaida, and no weapons of mass destruction. So the invasion of Iraq was illegal and morally wrong. And the real purpose of the invasion (and probably the reason why Iran is so firmly in the sights of the US) was oil. Our prime minister backed that invasion; parliament backed it, the main opposition party backed it. And those of us who voted two years ago gave it a legitimacy by voting that self-same lying toerag back into power.
7/7, and the events of a fortnight later: we are under attack, it seems, from those very people that support al Qaida and who loathe our freedoms and our way of life. How does our government react? By taking away some of those freedoms. Trying to ensure Joe Public can be traced at all time. Removing the legal rights to representation, and a fair trial. None of the measures announced in knee-jerk reaction over the last three or so years would cause any major problem to a terror cell. But it would remove freedom from the ordinary citizen, and bring us closer to a police state.
I've quoted this before, but it still holds true. Benjamin Franklin, back in the mid 18th century:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Make the most of free speech while you still have it.
There aren't too many people in this country making a fuss, We'd rather have a go at those do-gooders at Liberty. But let's look at what's happening, shall we?
Dealing with al Qaida and its backer the Taliban in Afghanistan----had to be done after 9/11. Ignoring al Qaida's backers in Saudi Arabia----not mentioned; hardly seens worth noting.
Invading Iraq. No one really disputes that getting rid of Saddam's regime was a bad thing. But Saddam was an opponent of the extremist forces in Islam, and removing him has given them a foothold in Iraq while the invasion itself served as a clarion call to some Moslems who see their religion under attack from the west (let's not argue the rights/wrongs of that viewpoint; it's how it is).
Anyway, Hussein had no links with al Qaida, and no weapons of mass destruction. So the invasion of Iraq was illegal and morally wrong. And the real purpose of the invasion (and probably the reason why Iran is so firmly in the sights of the US) was oil. Our prime minister backed that invasion; parliament backed it, the main opposition party backed it. And those of us who voted two years ago gave it a legitimacy by voting that self-same lying toerag back into power.
7/7, and the events of a fortnight later: we are under attack, it seems, from those very people that support al Qaida and who loathe our freedoms and our way of life. How does our government react? By taking away some of those freedoms. Trying to ensure Joe Public can be traced at all time. Removing the legal rights to representation, and a fair trial. None of the measures announced in knee-jerk reaction over the last three or so years would cause any major problem to a terror cell. But it would remove freedom from the ordinary citizen, and bring us closer to a police state.
I've quoted this before, but it still holds true. Benjamin Franklin, back in the mid 18th century:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Make the most of free speech while you still have it.
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Re: Slavery Protestor in Cathedral
Unfortunately there is now ( as of 2 or three years ago) no such thing as unlawful arrest. You can be arrested and detained by a copper merely if he thinks that it is nescessary to prevent you leaving whilst any inquiry is taking place. And of course it allows the old bill to get your DNA. All offences are now arrestable if a police officer wishes, from speeding and loans for peerages, through dropping litter to things you would reasonably expect to be arrested for.
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Makes you think that our governments actually allow things like 9/11 and 7/11 (I know its 7/7 but I'm being sarky) for a reason to implement state control over everyone doesnt it?
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I hate conspiracy theories, but there are times when they seem like the only possible answer to questions.
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Re: Slavery Protestor in Cathedral
one eyed jack wrote:
> Makes you think that our governments actually allow things like
> 9/11 and 7/11 (I know its 7/7 but I'm being sarky) for a reason
> to implement state control over everyone doesnt it?
It certainly does, but then governments have been doing such things (and not just allowing, but instigating) throughout history, except in contemporary France, where the people, quick to revolt, do not permit this sort of thing.
> Makes you think that our governments actually allow things like
> 9/11 and 7/11 (I know its 7/7 but I'm being sarky) for a reason
> to implement state control over everyone doesnt it?
It certainly does, but then governments have been doing such things (and not just allowing, but instigating) throughout history, except in contemporary France, where the people, quick to revolt, do not permit this sort of thing.