Being English i would love to see Scotland and Wales get their Independance becauuse it would also mean that England would get its Independance and then we can put up border controls which we would have to do to stop the migrants slipping through the backdoor, and dont believe it wont happen because it exist between us and the rest of mainland Europe so staying in the E.U. wont make any difference as England via Dover and the Channel Tunnel is the gateway to Europe and most of the trade has to come through England!thumbsup!.
Sean Connery - total hyporcite
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Sam Slater
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Re: Sean Connery - total hypocrite
[quote]No matter what people in England think, or what people in Scotland think, the partnership known as the union has provided benefits for both.[/quote]
A very good -and sensible- point there Carac.
People are fickle and mostly ignorant of facts when talking of the union splitting up. Like it or not, all sides have gained from the union. In the past England has gained in expense of Wales/Scotland, and at times Scotland/Wales are advantageous.
As for the oil........it's something you Jocks bring up a lot, but I believe those rigs are in the North Sea? International waters or not, Scotland never had a navy to defend such 'resources' until the union so the English could argue that without such protection the Scandinavian countries would have claimed them for themselves before now anyway. !laugh!
As an -northern- Englishman I don't really give a toss about an independent Scotland/Wales, or not. I do -however- feel like northerners have more in common with the Jocks than Londoners, and most of the best UK armed forces are made up mainly of Northerners, Jocks and Taffies. The best soldiers in the world.
What I don't like is Scottish politicians having a say in English affairs, while no English politicians have a say in Scottish affairs. It would be a mockery if Scotland was breaking away while having a Scottish priminister in Westminster !laugh!
Separating the nations would be harder work than people think. Many Scots/Welsh are in influential positions throughout government and the armed forces. These people would know 'too much' about the inner workings of a future England which could be passed on the enemies (you can't be a traitor once the union has split now can you? lol!).
I think for the foreseeable future the union should stay intact with less and less Scots/Welsh in influential positions and being transferred to their respective countries equivalent. An all English parliament would be a big step. I'd also want the Scots and Welsh to make it on their own without any long term financial hand outs. (bit like the kids leaving home but coming back every weekend with the washing, and asking for money.)
Independence means just that. On your own. There's every reason it will work, but there'll definitely be tax increases throughout, and I've a feeling life won't be as rosy and romanticised as most think......on all sides.
A very good -and sensible- point there Carac.
People are fickle and mostly ignorant of facts when talking of the union splitting up. Like it or not, all sides have gained from the union. In the past England has gained in expense of Wales/Scotland, and at times Scotland/Wales are advantageous.
As for the oil........it's something you Jocks bring up a lot, but I believe those rigs are in the North Sea? International waters or not, Scotland never had a navy to defend such 'resources' until the union so the English could argue that without such protection the Scandinavian countries would have claimed them for themselves before now anyway. !laugh!
As an -northern- Englishman I don't really give a toss about an independent Scotland/Wales, or not. I do -however- feel like northerners have more in common with the Jocks than Londoners, and most of the best UK armed forces are made up mainly of Northerners, Jocks and Taffies. The best soldiers in the world.
What I don't like is Scottish politicians having a say in English affairs, while no English politicians have a say in Scottish affairs. It would be a mockery if Scotland was breaking away while having a Scottish priminister in Westminster !laugh!
Separating the nations would be harder work than people think. Many Scots/Welsh are in influential positions throughout government and the armed forces. These people would know 'too much' about the inner workings of a future England which could be passed on the enemies (you can't be a traitor once the union has split now can you? lol!).
I think for the foreseeable future the union should stay intact with less and less Scots/Welsh in influential positions and being transferred to their respective countries equivalent. An all English parliament would be a big step. I'd also want the Scots and Welsh to make it on their own without any long term financial hand outs. (bit like the kids leaving home but coming back every weekend with the washing, and asking for money.)
Independence means just that. On your own. There's every reason it will work, but there'll definitely be tax increases throughout, and I've a feeling life won't be as rosy and romanticised as most think......on all sides.
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Re: Sean Connery - total hypocrite
Can't argue with much, if any, of that.
Like you, I've always felt those in the north of England have more in common with us than their southern neighbours. But we all share an island and should really get on, if we can.
There's no way contentious legislation that affects England alone (top-up fees, hospitals and the like) should be forced through thanks to the votes of Scots politicians whose own constituents are not involved. It wasn't fair when Thatcher's English rump voted to use Scotland as an experiment for the poll tax, and it isn't fair when Blair loads the lobbies with his troops from beyond the border.
The amusing part of that is, though, that it would involve a large group of Cabinet ministers (Brown, Browne, Reid, Alexander) being unable to support Government policy in the Commons.
Like you, I've always felt those in the north of England have more in common with us than their southern neighbours. But we all share an island and should really get on, if we can.
There's no way contentious legislation that affects England alone (top-up fees, hospitals and the like) should be forced through thanks to the votes of Scots politicians whose own constituents are not involved. It wasn't fair when Thatcher's English rump voted to use Scotland as an experiment for the poll tax, and it isn't fair when Blair loads the lobbies with his troops from beyond the border.
The amusing part of that is, though, that it would involve a large group of Cabinet ministers (Brown, Browne, Reid, Alexander) being unable to support Government policy in the Commons.
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Re: Sean Connery - total hyporcite
warren zevon rip wrote:
> planeterotica wrote:
>
> > Being English i would love to see Scotland and Wales get
> their
> > Independance becauuse it would also mean that England would
> get
> > its Independance and then we can put up border controls.
>
> England already has border controls. They don't appear to work.
>
>
> There would be no need for border controls between
> Wales/England or Scotland/England as all countries would be in
> the EU, which allows freedom of movement for all its nationals.
>
> planeterotica wrote:
You obviousley havnt travelled through Dover or the Channel Tunnel lately if you think freedom of movement between E.U.countries is allowed,so think on sunshine because there are organisations that stand in your way called British Customs and Immigration who maintain that they have the right to check everyone and every piece of goods that enters the country regardless as to wether it comes from another E.U. country, and the main instigator of this was one Gordon Brown yes a Scotsman so he could collect more taxes for the U.K. but i wonder if he will be so keen on border controls if Scotland became independant i very much doubt it as you will feel very isolated up there North of the Border.
> planeterotica wrote:
>
> > Being English i would love to see Scotland and Wales get
> their
> > Independance becauuse it would also mean that England would
> get
> > its Independance and then we can put up border controls.
>
> England already has border controls. They don't appear to work.
>
>
> There would be no need for border controls between
> Wales/England or Scotland/England as all countries would be in
> the EU, which allows freedom of movement for all its nationals.
>
> planeterotica wrote:
You obviousley havnt travelled through Dover or the Channel Tunnel lately if you think freedom of movement between E.U.countries is allowed,so think on sunshine because there are organisations that stand in your way called British Customs and Immigration who maintain that they have the right to check everyone and every piece of goods that enters the country regardless as to wether it comes from another E.U. country, and the main instigator of this was one Gordon Brown yes a Scotsman so he could collect more taxes for the U.K. but i wonder if he will be so keen on border controls if Scotland became independant i very much doubt it as you will feel very isolated up there North of the Border.
Re: Sean Connery - total hypocrite
The reason for the delay is to allow his acolytes two years to massage Salmond's ego. It's a big job.
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