Mojo wrote:
> As a non-driver I don't mind that particular tax.
>
> One little point here. Are you working-class and living in the
> sticks?
Economically speaking, I am lower middle-class.
I live in a town centre and my choice to live there was partially determined by having no car, i.e. I needed to live somewhere where I wouldn't need a car.
> Think what high fuel VAT does to them! Not everyone
> lives round the corner from a bus stop, a train station or
> their work place. Even if so, would you want the only people
> able to afford their own transport to be the rich?
Yes, I would. It makes people go for more economical cars and makes public transport a more attractive option. It should also make public transport politically a more important issue - but the fact that this hasn't happened yet shows in my opinion that the fuel duty is still too low.
Blair stepping down.
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Re: Blair stepping down.
Mojo wrote:
> Simple maths and logic, not anything I got from a newspaper.
> Also something that's been backed up by political/social
> experts on the TV.
Would you care to name them?
> 3. Lastly, ever thought that the country as a whole will suffer
> in the long term? I don't just mean the ones who stay here
> either. What about the ones who do go back home after they've
> had their pound of flesh out of us? Do you think the country's
> ever going to see that money again? Nope, that money will leave
> the country for good.
You cannot have it both ways. If they have worked too cheaply then the country had MORE than the fair value for that money - in form of their cheap labour.
If their leaving causes the economy a problem then that would be primarily through the absence of them in the labour market; this could happen if, say, the eventual lifting of working restrictions for Poles in Germany would see them move over there, as it's closer to home.
> Simple maths and logic, not anything I got from a newspaper.
> Also something that's been backed up by political/social
> experts on the TV.
Would you care to name them?
> 3. Lastly, ever thought that the country as a whole will suffer
> in the long term? I don't just mean the ones who stay here
> either. What about the ones who do go back home after they've
> had their pound of flesh out of us? Do you think the country's
> ever going to see that money again? Nope, that money will leave
> the country for good.
You cannot have it both ways. If they have worked too cheaply then the country had MORE than the fair value for that money - in form of their cheap labour.
If their leaving causes the economy a problem then that would be primarily through the absence of them in the labour market; this could happen if, say, the eventual lifting of working restrictions for Poles in Germany would see them move over there, as it's closer to home.
Re: Blair stepping down.
"but the fact that this hasn't happened yet shows in my opinion that the fuel duty is still too low."
You dont have a clue about life do you? just because you choose to live in urban sprawl doesn,t mean everyone else has to. There are millions of people that live in rural and semi rural area's, thet rely on a vehicle to shop, socialise, and transport goods, not to mention going on holiday or just pleasure, why do they need to pay more duty? to some people a car is a lifeline, are you suggesting everyone should up-sticks and move into a Town or City?
You dont have a clue about life do you? just because you choose to live in urban sprawl doesn,t mean everyone else has to. There are millions of people that live in rural and semi rural area's, thet rely on a vehicle to shop, socialise, and transport goods, not to mention going on holiday or just pleasure, why do they need to pay more duty? to some people a car is a lifeline, are you suggesting everyone should up-sticks and move into a Town or City?
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Re: Blair stepping down.
Now I know I'm talking over your head.
1. The imported cheap labour undermines the native poor by undercutting wages.
2. The ones who stay permanently displace the native poor, increase strains on the country's resources and increase polution.
3. The ones who eventually go home temporarily displace the native poor, but have the added effect of taking the country's wealth out of the country for good.
In other words, I'm not in favour of anymore immigration unless they're either in possession of urgently needed skills (ie. doctors, scientists etc.), or are rich already and won't displace the native poor nor put strains on the countries resources.
1. The imported cheap labour undermines the native poor by undercutting wages.
2. The ones who stay permanently displace the native poor, increase strains on the country's resources and increase polution.
3. The ones who eventually go home temporarily displace the native poor, but have the added effect of taking the country's wealth out of the country for good.
In other words, I'm not in favour of anymore immigration unless they're either in possession of urgently needed skills (ie. doctors, scientists etc.), or are rich already and won't displace the native poor nor put strains on the countries resources.
Re: Blair stepping down.
Yes, I would. It makes people go for more economical cars and makes public transport a more attractive option. It should also make public transport politically a more important issue - but the fact that this hasn't happened yet shows in my opinion that the fuel duty is still too low.
Spoken just like a well-heeled middle-class twit. Why am I not surprised? Sounds like Prescott talking about everyone getting on the bus then getting straight into his V6 Jag and shooting off.
Spoken just like a well-heeled middle-class twit. Why am I not surprised? Sounds like Prescott talking about everyone getting on the bus then getting straight into his V6 Jag and shooting off.
Re: Blair stepping down.
And I haven't used any of these towards any members of this forum, that is unless you're a New Labour politician?