That's like the PM acting like the managing director of the whole country. keith rasputin wrote. He is isn't he in essence,and about law and order we have become too liberal,we are being tought not to respect authority and to do what ever they want,when i was younger i knew who the local bobby was and not to do anything wrong,he used to walk around my area as a mark of authority.
and now its the police service not police force,too much political correctness from liberals.
Thatcher speaks........twaddle as usual...
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tommy dickfingers
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"The three day week was a punitive measure instituted by the Heath government to punish the working people because some of them dared to defy him by going on strike."
The three day week was instituted because the fucking miners were on strike and there wasn't enough coal available to keep the power stations going. I remember the bloody lights going out! Welcome to the third sodding world, Britain in the 1970's. Do you think any government would actually want to close down industry for two days a week?
"The reason why Thatcher started to close down manufacturing industry"
Thatcher didn't close down any industries. Companies failed because of decades of poor management, low investment and bolshie trades unions. Under Thatcher the government decided not to prop up useless companies with tax payers' money any more. That's not the same as closing them down. Any commercially successful company is not going to be "closed down" by the government is it?
The three day week was instituted because the fucking miners were on strike and there wasn't enough coal available to keep the power stations going. I remember the bloody lights going out! Welcome to the third sodding world, Britain in the 1970's. Do you think any government would actually want to close down industry for two days a week?
"The reason why Thatcher started to close down manufacturing industry"
Thatcher didn't close down any industries. Companies failed because of decades of poor management, low investment and bolshie trades unions. Under Thatcher the government decided not to prop up useless companies with tax payers' money any more. That's not the same as closing them down. Any commercially successful company is not going to be "closed down" by the government is it?
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"It turns out that the USSR only ever had several dozen nuclear missiles available against the huge arsenal NATO had stacked up"
What are you smoking? I challenge you to justify that statement.
The USSR spent the entire cold war building up its nuclear arsenal, including land based missiles, bombers and submarines. The UUSR only had a few nuclear missiles in 1962 at the time of the Cuban Missile crisis, but made up for that in the rest of the 60's and 70's, so that it had nuclear parity with the USA. That's why we had the SALT treaties in the 70's, the USA and USSR were broadly equivalent in terms of their nuclear capabilities, and were willing to agree to curb increases in their arsenals. From memeory I believe each side had about 10,000 nuclear warheads, a far cry from "a few dozen missiles".
What are you smoking? I challenge you to justify that statement.
The USSR spent the entire cold war building up its nuclear arsenal, including land based missiles, bombers and submarines. The UUSR only had a few nuclear missiles in 1962 at the time of the Cuban Missile crisis, but made up for that in the rest of the 60's and 70's, so that it had nuclear parity with the USA. That's why we had the SALT treaties in the 70's, the USA and USSR were broadly equivalent in terms of their nuclear capabilities, and were willing to agree to curb increases in their arsenals. From memeory I believe each side had about 10,000 nuclear warheads, a far cry from "a few dozen missiles".
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Sam Slater
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Hey, lets even things out a bit. Russia's being run by the KGB right now remember, and I don't trust Putin one iota. He's even more dangerous than Bush, as he's got a brain.
Assassinations aplenty!
Has Gary Kasparov been released yet?
Assassinations aplenty!
Has Gary Kasparov been released yet?
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
Re: Thatcher speaks........twaddle as usual...
"I read it in a book somewhere that the USSR nuclear missile arsenal was quite small, I don't know if it was true or not."
I can answer that one for you: it's not true.
As I said, after the Cuban Missile Crisis the USSR had a massive expansion of its nuclear capability, to achieve parity with the USA. Before the Cuban Missile Crisis the USSR did indeed have only a few nuclear missiles, and they were not long range, hence the desire to base them on Cuba.
I can answer that one for you: it's not true.
As I said, after the Cuban Missile Crisis the USSR had a massive expansion of its nuclear capability, to achieve parity with the USA. Before the Cuban Missile Crisis the USSR did indeed have only a few nuclear missiles, and they were not long range, hence the desire to base them on Cuba.
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"We live in a democracy, people should have a right to go on strike if they want."
And they should have a right not to go on strike if they don't want, which is what the reforms of trade union law in the 80's achieved. So long as there is a proper ballot of members, there can be a legal strike.
"I don't think the miners went on strike because they wanted to destroy the country."
I do. Ever heard of a revolutionary communist agitator called Arthur Scargill?
"Instead of the Heath government talking about it, they instituted the 3 day week which caused hardship for all, a way of politicising the dispute.. There's a stockpile of coal and gas kept as a reserve usually, do you really think the supplies were going to give out that quickly?"
As you might know if you bothered to check, NUM flying pickets closed down the coke works for the power stations. They made sure the stockpile was unusable. If you really think the power cuts were imposed despite the miners' strike rather than because of it you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
"Companies failed because the Tory government were responsible for a big recession followed by the boom/bust economy of the mid to late 1980s."
There was a world wide recession after the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1978/9 led to the price of oil shooting up. It was worse in Britain because of our terrible industrial relations, with morons like Red Robbo calling wildcat strikes at the drop of a hat. The Thatcher government made economic mistakes, but they did not cause a global recession, and the reforms to trade union law were necessary because uncontrolled strikes were simply destroying the economy.
And they should have a right not to go on strike if they don't want, which is what the reforms of trade union law in the 80's achieved. So long as there is a proper ballot of members, there can be a legal strike.
"I don't think the miners went on strike because they wanted to destroy the country."
I do. Ever heard of a revolutionary communist agitator called Arthur Scargill?
"Instead of the Heath government talking about it, they instituted the 3 day week which caused hardship for all, a way of politicising the dispute.. There's a stockpile of coal and gas kept as a reserve usually, do you really think the supplies were going to give out that quickly?"
As you might know if you bothered to check, NUM flying pickets closed down the coke works for the power stations. They made sure the stockpile was unusable. If you really think the power cuts were imposed despite the miners' strike rather than because of it you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
"Companies failed because the Tory government were responsible for a big recession followed by the boom/bust economy of the mid to late 1980s."
There was a world wide recession after the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1978/9 led to the price of oil shooting up. It was worse in Britain because of our terrible industrial relations, with morons like Red Robbo calling wildcat strikes at the drop of a hat. The Thatcher government made economic mistakes, but they did not cause a global recession, and the reforms to trade union law were necessary because uncontrolled strikes were simply destroying the economy.