Never thought about that, fuck!
Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
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Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
warren zevon rip wrote:
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Like I said above - you're cherry-picking the bits that you like instead of looking at the overall picture.
Taxes may not have risen **today**, that's true, but the OVERALL trend is of rising taxes, and has been since 1997.
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Not at all, it's very relevant.
Yes, local councils (not Grim Gordon) set the actual rate, but this is based on central government property valuations. And given that local councils get 75% of their revenue from central government, cuts at that source mean that in order to make up the difference, they have to either (a) levy higher council tax or (b) cut local services or (c) both of the aforementioned.
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Well - if you want to / have to take a flight anywhere you don't have any choice! Ditto fuel tax.
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I'll give you that one.
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Also true.
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Same thing: That adds up to many more people (most of them ordinary middle-class folk) paying a lot of additional tax. Essentially that's a tax rise for a lot of people.
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Paper wealth in the form of property value - not disposable wealth in the form of spending power. Big difference, warren. In any case, the soaring price of homes isn't down to Gordon Brown.
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Is that a joke? Why do you **want** to pay more tax, warren?? Wouldn't you rather the existing ones be put to better use ? Surely you don't believe the government when it claims (just for example) that the NHS is in good shape?
Personally I'd much prefer to see less squander on the part of those entrusted with the taxpayer's hard-earned cash.
- Eric
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Like I said above - you're cherry-picking the bits that you like instead of looking at the overall picture.
Taxes may not have risen **today**, that's true, but the OVERALL trend is of rising taxes, and has been since 1997.
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Not at all, it's very relevant.
Yes, local councils (not Grim Gordon) set the actual rate, but this is based on central government property valuations. And given that local councils get 75% of their revenue from central government, cuts at that source mean that in order to make up the difference, they have to either (a) levy higher council tax or (b) cut local services or (c) both of the aforementioned.
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Well - if you want to / have to take a flight anywhere you don't have any choice! Ditto fuel tax.
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I'll give you that one.
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Also true.
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Same thing: That adds up to many more people (most of them ordinary middle-class folk) paying a lot of additional tax. Essentially that's a tax rise for a lot of people.
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Paper wealth in the form of property value - not disposable wealth in the form of spending power. Big difference, warren. In any case, the soaring price of homes isn't down to Gordon Brown.
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Is that a joke? Why do you **want** to pay more tax, warren?? Wouldn't you rather the existing ones be put to better use ? Surely you don't believe the government when it claims (just for example) that the NHS is in good shape?
Personally I'd much prefer to see less squander on the part of those entrusted with the taxpayer's hard-earned cash.
- Eric
Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
WZR quotes FE as saying:
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If you're going to quote me, warren - quote the whole fucking sentence.
You really are grasping at straws if that's the best you can do. I mean, I could pick words & half-sentences out of your posts to quote you as saying "Mr. Brown ... is ... a ... cunt".
But it wouldn't be very clever, or reflect what you actually said. Just as you're not being very clever either, warren.
WZR says:
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Which means what exactly?????
WZR says:
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And due to be revised in 2008, I believe, having been postponed by GB once already.
WZR says:
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It's not about bundling folk onto planes at gunpoint, wazza, as well you know.
Holidays abroad (or in GB's and AD's Green New World aren't we allowed to have those any more)? Business trips abroad (or even, say between the Smoke and Aberdeen)? Family visits abroad? Politicians' "fact finding" and iceberg-hugging junkets abroad (paid for by the taxpayer) .... ?
WZR says:
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Overly simplistic, I'm afraid. There are many reasons (e.g. family size) why people can't simply sell up just like that and downsize (oh ? and incur more costs and taxes for the privilege of doing so). And anyway - why should they have to, if they've worked hard to achieve a decent standard of living (despite having already being taxed to the hilt by the government)?
WZR says:
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But they aren't "rich" though, wazza. That's the whole point.
- Eric
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If you're going to quote me, warren - quote the whole fucking sentence.
You really are grasping at straws if that's the best you can do. I mean, I could pick words & half-sentences out of your posts to quote you as saying "Mr. Brown ... is ... a ... cunt".
But it wouldn't be very clever, or reflect what you actually said. Just as you're not being very clever either, warren.
WZR says:
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Which means what exactly?????
WZR says:
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And due to be revised in 2008, I believe, having been postponed by GB once already.
WZR says:
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It's not about bundling folk onto planes at gunpoint, wazza, as well you know.
Holidays abroad (or in GB's and AD's Green New World aren't we allowed to have those any more)? Business trips abroad (or even, say between the Smoke and Aberdeen)? Family visits abroad? Politicians' "fact finding" and iceberg-hugging junkets abroad (paid for by the taxpayer) .... ?
WZR says:
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Overly simplistic, I'm afraid. There are many reasons (e.g. family size) why people can't simply sell up just like that and downsize (oh ? and incur more costs and taxes for the privilege of doing so). And anyway - why should they have to, if they've worked hard to achieve a decent standard of living (despite having already being taxed to the hilt by the government)?
WZR says:
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But they aren't "rich" though, wazza. That's the whole point.
- Eric
Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
No good trying to reason with wazzup Eric, he's fucking craaaaazy!
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Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
warren zevon rip wrote..
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> > It's not about bundling folk onto planes at gunpoint, Wazza,
> as
> > well you know.
>
> Is this a hijack attempt? Don't let Mart or Colon Hell hear
> about it!
>
> > But they are "rich", wazza. That's the whole point.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Eric. Cheer up. We disagree about this. I am very very fuckin yhick
> Dibble is ver clever.Lizard is brilliant, You are very clever. Dynarod is great.
> at all. Let's leave it at that.
>
>
>
> > It's not about bundling folk onto planes at gunpoint, Wazza,
> as
> > well you know.
>
> Is this a hijack attempt? Don't let Mart or Colon Hell hear
> about it!
>
> > But they are "rich", wazza. That's the whole point.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Eric. Cheer up. We disagree about this. I am very very fuckin yhick
> Dibble is ver clever.Lizard is brilliant, You are very clever. Dynarod is great.
> at all. Let's leave it at that.
>
>
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Re: Brown's 'Long-Term Vision'
I'd give a long reply but now simply can't be arsed.
No need for another thread on local politics you've bored my arse off on this one.
Little picture = big picture or same tossers locally as in the big league. The person who organised the funding that the tories backtracked on as soon as they got in is the tory parliamentary candidate for the next election!
Also no need to start a new thread on 'Dave's' green policies either for the same reason as above which I believe are big ideological issues to him and many others and therefore appropriate for this claptrap.
With regards to hopping a ride on Warren?s coats tails in a word BOLLOCKS
I still believe my interjection was appropriate as it corrected your lie but as your posts have now bored my tits off as well as my arse I won't bother replying again.
YOU lied I corrected it - that simple.
No need for another thread on local politics you've bored my arse off on this one.
Little picture = big picture or same tossers locally as in the big league. The person who organised the funding that the tories backtracked on as soon as they got in is the tory parliamentary candidate for the next election!
Also no need to start a new thread on 'Dave's' green policies either for the same reason as above which I believe are big ideological issues to him and many others and therefore appropriate for this claptrap.
With regards to hopping a ride on Warren?s coats tails in a word BOLLOCKS
I still believe my interjection was appropriate as it corrected your lie but as your posts have now bored my tits off as well as my arse I won't bother replying again.
YOU lied I corrected it - that simple.