I see that, true to form, Gordon ?Bottler? Brown has bottled out of giving us a referendum on the latest EU treaty. As a referendum on this treaty was a cornerstone of Nu-Labour?s last election manifesto, does this show Gordon and his chums to be devious lying snides, as well as ?bottlers?? Also, are they selling us down the river? Are they delivering us into the hands of overpaid, self-serving bureaucrats, whose goal is to crush our spirit and personal autonomy with ever tighter, ever more twatish, rules regulations and decrees?
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Re: Referendum – ‘Bottled’?
Well, a Govt.'s not required by Law to abide by the result of a referendum-
so what would be the point exactly?
so what would be the point exactly?
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
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Re: Referendum ? ?Bottled??
"Well, a Govt.'s not required by Law to abide by the result of a referendum- so what would be the point exactly?"
The point is that they specifically promised a referendum. They said, "Vote for us and we'll give you a referendum". To renege on that cornerstone promise just shows them to be devious, sniffy, slime balls and blatantly taking the Mick out of those who were foolhardy enough to vote for them. How can they expect anyone to believe any future manifesto promises that they cynically make? What would be the point of electing a party that you suspected would do something totally different than what they were promising? They made a verbal contract (I know,...not worth the paper it's written on) with the electorate and then brazenly went ahead and broke it. Don?t you find that a little unsettling?
Officer Dibble
The point is that they specifically promised a referendum. They said, "Vote for us and we'll give you a referendum". To renege on that cornerstone promise just shows them to be devious, sniffy, slime balls and blatantly taking the Mick out of those who were foolhardy enough to vote for them. How can they expect anyone to believe any future manifesto promises that they cynically make? What would be the point of electing a party that you suspected would do something totally different than what they were promising? They made a verbal contract (I know,...not worth the paper it's written on) with the electorate and then brazenly went ahead and broke it. Don?t you find that a little unsettling?
Officer Dibble
Re: Referendum – ‘Bottled’?
Officer Dibble wrote:
> The point is that they specifically promised a referendum.
No. they specfically [and weaselly so, yes] and very carefully stated that a
referendum would be allowed only under certain circumstances- c's which
they are now arguing [and not without legal reason] do not obtain.
They
> ....just shows them to be devious,
> sniffy, slime balls and blatantly taking the Mick out of those
> who were foolhardy enough to vote for them.
And in this they differ from other political parties HOW, exactly?
Just for the record, I loathe Imp Brown and All His Works, and would
happily see him die in jail for the Pensions fraud he perpetrated a few years
back. IMO he is a proven liar, fraud and coward.
> The point is that they specifically promised a referendum.
No. they specfically [and weaselly so, yes] and very carefully stated that a
referendum would be allowed only under certain circumstances- c's which
they are now arguing [and not without legal reason] do not obtain.
They
> ....just shows them to be devious,
> sniffy, slime balls and blatantly taking the Mick out of those
> who were foolhardy enough to vote for them.
And in this they differ from other political parties HOW, exactly?
Just for the record, I loathe Imp Brown and All His Works, and would
happily see him die in jail for the Pensions fraud he perpetrated a few years
back. IMO he is a proven liar, fraud and coward.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: Referendum ? ?Bottled??
What Dibble said, except it wasn't a verbal promise, it was a manifesto commitment. If you can't trust a party to deliver a specific manifesto comitment, then they are untrustworthy cunts.
Brown is a cowardly lying sack of shit. I knew he would not have the guts to call an election this autumn, it's just not in his character. He let Blair get the better of him when John Smith died, and then brooded over it for 13 years. He was a disloyal colleague to Blair, but never had the nerve to stand against him. Instead he just sniped at him and undermined him for 13 years until he got the top job. I knew there was just no way he would risk that for an election, he hasn't got it in him. That why he has reneged on the promise of a referendum: he was frightened that he'd lose, and he can't face that. Instead, he just comes out with bare-faced lies, eg:
1. He would not have called an election, even if the polls had shown he'd get a 100 seat majority. Obvious and pathetic lie.
2. The "Reform Treaty" is not the same as the "Constitution" because he's got his "red lines". Another ridiculous lie. Blair had negotiated the same "red lines" for the original Constitution, which was thrown out by the people of France and Holland, and every other European leader accepts that for all intents and purposes, the Reform Treaty is the same as the Constitution.
The pathetic cunt just thinks if he can keep lying to us eventually we will believe his bullshit. Well fuck you Jack, you were never elected to the job of PM, not even by your own party, you were too yellow to call an election, and you're too yellow to allow a referendum. You're a fucking disgrace, and I can't wait for the day you get tossed out of office like a used nappy, because that's full of shit, and so are you.
Brown is a cowardly lying sack of shit. I knew he would not have the guts to call an election this autumn, it's just not in his character. He let Blair get the better of him when John Smith died, and then brooded over it for 13 years. He was a disloyal colleague to Blair, but never had the nerve to stand against him. Instead he just sniped at him and undermined him for 13 years until he got the top job. I knew there was just no way he would risk that for an election, he hasn't got it in him. That why he has reneged on the promise of a referendum: he was frightened that he'd lose, and he can't face that. Instead, he just comes out with bare-faced lies, eg:
1. He would not have called an election, even if the polls had shown he'd get a 100 seat majority. Obvious and pathetic lie.
2. The "Reform Treaty" is not the same as the "Constitution" because he's got his "red lines". Another ridiculous lie. Blair had negotiated the same "red lines" for the original Constitution, which was thrown out by the people of France and Holland, and every other European leader accepts that for all intents and purposes, the Reform Treaty is the same as the Constitution.
The pathetic cunt just thinks if he can keep lying to us eventually we will believe his bullshit. Well fuck you Jack, you were never elected to the job of PM, not even by your own party, you were too yellow to call an election, and you're too yellow to allow a referendum. You're a fucking disgrace, and I can't wait for the day you get tossed out of office like a used nappy, because that's full of shit, and so are you.
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Re: Referendum ? ?Bottled??
You've said it all for me.... Brown PM unelect is a cunt of the first order.
I wasn't a Blair supporter but at least he would have a laugh at himself.
You can tell Brown has been told to lighten up..... he seems to put a smile on any time he is spoken to nowadays, most unatural.
Also felt sorry for Blair in him having such a disloyal member of his team, must have made his life hell especially towards the end of his term.
When will this nightmare end.
Over to Wazza....
PC
I wasn't a Blair supporter but at least he would have a laugh at himself.
You can tell Brown has been told to lighten up..... he seems to put a smile on any time he is spoken to nowadays, most unatural.
Also felt sorry for Blair in him having such a disloyal member of his team, must have made his life hell especially towards the end of his term.
When will this nightmare end.
Over to Wazza....
PC
Re: Referendum ? ?Bottled??
Why has Brown bottled it? We never got a referendum on Maastricht or any other EU treaty. I think the last one was in the mid 70's when we were asked if we wanted to join the Common Market.
This is just the media making the news again instead of reporting it.
This is just the media making the news again instead of reporting it.
quis custodiet ipsos custodes
Re: Referendum – ‘Bottled’?
Porn crackers wrote:
> Also felt sorry for Blair i
Wot ?
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> Also felt sorry for Blair i
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"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: Referendum ? ?Bottled??
"Why has Brown bottled it? We never got a referendum on Maastricht or any other EU treaty. I think the last one was in the mid 70's when we were asked if we wanted to join the Common Market."
The UK joined the EEC in 1973. The referendum was in 1975, asking if we wanted to stay in, a very different proposition.
There should be a referendum simply because it was a manifesto commitment made by the Labour Party, on which they were elected in 2005. No previous government ever promised a referendum, but this shower did, and now they have gone back on it, because Brown is a cowardly lying tosser.
Hope that answers your question.
The UK joined the EEC in 1973. The referendum was in 1975, asking if we wanted to stay in, a very different proposition.
There should be a referendum simply because it was a manifesto commitment made by the Labour Party, on which they were elected in 2005. No previous government ever promised a referendum, but this shower did, and now they have gone back on it, because Brown is a cowardly lying tosser.
Hope that answers your question.
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Re: Referendum ? ?Bottled??
"Why has Brown bottled it?"
He's bottled it because he knows dam well that the people would stick two fingers up to the treaty, and by extension his government - who broadly support ever increasing EU rules, regulations, bureaucracy, bureaucrats and control over the people.
If he lost (and he would) then both he and his government would be seriously weakened. It would be like losing a vote of no confidence, it would precipitate an election and he would loose that, too. After just getting his hands on the levers of power that's the last thing he wants right now.
Officer Dibble
He's bottled it because he knows dam well that the people would stick two fingers up to the treaty, and by extension his government - who broadly support ever increasing EU rules, regulations, bureaucracy, bureaucrats and control over the people.
If he lost (and he would) then both he and his government would be seriously weakened. It would be like losing a vote of no confidence, it would precipitate an election and he would loose that, too. After just getting his hands on the levers of power that's the last thing he wants right now.
Officer Dibble