warren zevon rip wrote:
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What a load of touchy-feely, pinko-liberal bollocks. Even by your standards wazza, that takes the cake.
I'd happily challenge you to stand in front of the family of Kevin Johnson and spout that "enlightened" tosh. And I wonder if you'd be so charitable if the victim had been one of your own family or friends.
In cases such as this (i.e. deliberate cold-blooded murder that the scum even boasted about afterwards) "Life" should mean exactly that - Life.
Otherwise it makes a mockery of the whole concept of a "Life" sentence. The little shits will be out when they're about 30 - 35, with most of their best years still ahead of them.
As it is - thanks to the "justice" system - the only people serving a "Life" sentence will be Kevin Johnson's family.
- Eric
Yet another murderous attack!
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I sympathise with the family but if I were in that situation I'd stay inside and get the police to do their job
Confronting people in the early hours anywhere is a huge risk thesedays
Its well known that many people arm themselves when going out and
by the time their on their way home their hardly in a logical rational state of mind ...ie high on alcohol,amphetamines,coke etc
Just to back up my view,this article which I read today
Youth in britain are now leading the world in cocaine abuse
Confronting people in the early hours anywhere is a huge risk thesedays
Its well known that many people arm themselves when going out and
by the time their on their way home their hardly in a logical rational state of mind ...ie high on alcohol,amphetamines,coke etc
Just to back up my view,this article which I read today
Youth in britain are now leading the world in cocaine abuse
Re: Yet another murderous attack!
Deuce Bigolo wrote:
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Have to agree, DB.
Pick up the phone and leave it to the Old Bill to sort out.
Because however much you might fancy your chances 1-on-1 on equal terms, you never know if your potential opponent might be carrying a blade - which puts you at a massive and potentially dangerous disadvantage right from the git-go.
And if there's three or four of them and only one of you, you're just asking for trouble.
Even if you do manage to chase them off, there's always the risk of them coming back later and putting a brick through your window / trashing your car to "get their own back", or of starting an ongoing vendetta. It's been known.
- Eric
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Have to agree, DB.
Pick up the phone and leave it to the Old Bill to sort out.
Because however much you might fancy your chances 1-on-1 on equal terms, you never know if your potential opponent might be carrying a blade - which puts you at a massive and potentially dangerous disadvantage right from the git-go.
And if there's three or four of them and only one of you, you're just asking for trouble.
Even if you do manage to chase them off, there's always the risk of them coming back later and putting a brick through your window / trashing your car to "get their own back", or of starting an ongoing vendetta. It's been known.
- Eric
Re: Yet another murderous attack!
warren zevon rip wrote:
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I think I know what you're trying to say, wazza.
But the Boyle case is a glaring exception rather than the rule. Perhaps that's why it's so famous.
Because for every murderer who studies law while inside or who writes a book and appears on TV chat shows afterwards saying what a bad boy he used to be but "look at me now", there are probably 1000 others who are just as evil and a danger to society after they've served their stretch as they were when they were first sent down.
But okay, even accepting that rehabilitation is possible (albeit unlikely in any meaningful sense in most cases), the deliberate taking of another life in such a cold blooded manner should carry an absolute mimimum tariff of, say 30 years (though personally I'd prefer Life to mean Life).
So rehabilitated murderers "pay tax" after they rejoin society. Big deal. I'm sure that's a great comfort to the families of their victims.
- Eric
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I think I know what you're trying to say, wazza.
But the Boyle case is a glaring exception rather than the rule. Perhaps that's why it's so famous.
Because for every murderer who studies law while inside or who writes a book and appears on TV chat shows afterwards saying what a bad boy he used to be but "look at me now", there are probably 1000 others who are just as evil and a danger to society after they've served their stretch as they were when they were first sent down.
But okay, even accepting that rehabilitation is possible (albeit unlikely in any meaningful sense in most cases), the deliberate taking of another life in such a cold blooded manner should carry an absolute mimimum tariff of, say 30 years (though personally I'd prefer Life to mean Life).
So rehabilitated murderers "pay tax" after they rejoin society. Big deal. I'm sure that's a great comfort to the families of their victims.
- Eric
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Re: Yet another murderous attack!
The incidences of normal honest people packing an unregistered hand gun
when going out is on the rise as well
The thing with substance abuse is that many don't have any recollection after the event especially in the case of speed.The violence is almost a primal reaction.At least thats what my Police mate tells me
Had a guy last year revving his car to high hell.Took one look out the front and there was this drunken buffoon trying to drive through a tree.He managed to get around it and almost out on to main road where he hit the kerb.Puts it in reverse and returns to the same tree.Yu couldn't write a script like that
He took a few vicious swings at the cops when they dragged him out of the car
when going out is on the rise as well
The thing with substance abuse is that many don't have any recollection after the event especially in the case of speed.The violence is almost a primal reaction.At least thats what my Police mate tells me
Had a guy last year revving his car to high hell.Took one look out the front and there was this drunken buffoon trying to drive through a tree.He managed to get around it and almost out on to main road where he hit the kerb.Puts it in reverse and returns to the same tree.Yu couldn't write a script like that
He took a few vicious swings at the cops when they dragged him out of the car
Re: Yet another murderous attack!
WAZZA SAID: >>>
ERIC REPLIES: Sure. I can accept that.
WAZZA SAID: >>
ERIC REPLIES: I may be wrong, but IIRC Mike's case was more self-defence rather than actually going out and cold-bloodedly hunting someone down or stabbing them to death "for the hell of it" due to being pissed / doped up. Certainly nothing like the case we're talking about here - and that's the sort of case I said should carry a minimum 30-year tariff.
WAZZA SAID: >>>
ERIC REPLIES: It isn't irrelevant at all - in fact moves are beginning to be made in that direction (allowing statements by relatives to be read out pre-sentencing, for example). I accept though that different folk will have different ideas about what constitutes justice / vengeance. Perhaps more weight does need to be given to these views (whatever they may be), because the familes are direct victims of the crime as well.
Sorry I don't have time for a more detailed reply- a bit pushed for time this afternoon. I do take your points, even though I don't wholly agree with them all.
- Eric
ERIC REPLIES: Sure. I can accept that.
WAZZA SAID: >>
ERIC REPLIES: I may be wrong, but IIRC Mike's case was more self-defence rather than actually going out and cold-bloodedly hunting someone down or stabbing them to death "for the hell of it" due to being pissed / doped up. Certainly nothing like the case we're talking about here - and that's the sort of case I said should carry a minimum 30-year tariff.
WAZZA SAID: >>>
ERIC REPLIES: It isn't irrelevant at all - in fact moves are beginning to be made in that direction (allowing statements by relatives to be read out pre-sentencing, for example). I accept though that different folk will have different ideas about what constitutes justice / vengeance. Perhaps more weight does need to be given to these views (whatever they may be), because the familes are direct victims of the crime as well.
Sorry I don't have time for a more detailed reply- a bit pushed for time this afternoon. I do take your points, even though I don't wholly agree with them all.
- Eric