Didn't we go down your route 400 years ago and worked out it was barbaric?
Teenage Pregnancies
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Sam Slater
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Re: Teenage Pregnancies
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
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Sam Slater
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Re: Teenage Pregnancies
The solution is a hard one (no, I don't mean 'a hard one for the girls').
I agree with the principles of the benefits system, although it could be improved. For instance: I believe that the system should only help pay for the first two children. We may have needed big families in the past to help on the farm, or because 50% of children died before they were 21, but in a modern society, any more than 2-3 kids is morally wrong in a world that is already over populated.
The above would still mean young girls could claim benefits for their first two children, and that's the way it should be. Any child that gets pregnant before adulthood is either:
a) Stupid
b) Ignorant
c) Made a mistake
Education helps b) and c) but stupid people will always do stupid things, and we can't punish them for something they cannot help being. I do not think any girl would purposely get pregnant for a council flat (unless she's stupid) although when it comes to abortion decisions, it could play a part.
Young girls get pregnant because they're having sex, and don't we all enjoy sex?
A society that withdraws benefits because a girl is pregnant, underage, would be putting an innocent child into poverty, so you're not only punishing the teenage mum for her mistake, but the new born child as well! Fucking ridiculous!
Anybody who thinks that taking away the benefits system is ok, needs to ask themselves a few questions.
Do I want to live in a civilised society, or an uncivilised society?
(If civilised) Is a civilised society one that looks after the needs of the young that make mistakes, or a society that doesn't?
My sister was telling my Mum that my niece has started her periods recently. She's only bloody eleven, and yet will get hardly any sexual education until she's fourteen. This needs to change, and sex education needs to be more than a few days out of 11 years at school.
I agree with the principles of the benefits system, although it could be improved. For instance: I believe that the system should only help pay for the first two children. We may have needed big families in the past to help on the farm, or because 50% of children died before they were 21, but in a modern society, any more than 2-3 kids is morally wrong in a world that is already over populated.
The above would still mean young girls could claim benefits for their first two children, and that's the way it should be. Any child that gets pregnant before adulthood is either:
a) Stupid
b) Ignorant
c) Made a mistake
Education helps b) and c) but stupid people will always do stupid things, and we can't punish them for something they cannot help being. I do not think any girl would purposely get pregnant for a council flat (unless she's stupid) although when it comes to abortion decisions, it could play a part.
Young girls get pregnant because they're having sex, and don't we all enjoy sex?
A society that withdraws benefits because a girl is pregnant, underage, would be putting an innocent child into poverty, so you're not only punishing the teenage mum for her mistake, but the new born child as well! Fucking ridiculous!
Anybody who thinks that taking away the benefits system is ok, needs to ask themselves a few questions.
Do I want to live in a civilised society, or an uncivilised society?
(If civilised) Is a civilised society one that looks after the needs of the young that make mistakes, or a society that doesn't?
My sister was telling my Mum that my niece has started her periods recently. She's only bloody eleven, and yet will get hardly any sexual education until she's fourteen. This needs to change, and sex education needs to be more than a few days out of 11 years at school.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
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Sam Slater
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Re: Teenage Pregnancies
To be honest, I don't know what sex education she's had, and I was just remembering back to my own education.. (which was basically a video of some bird having a baby when I was 11, and then a full day of learning about intercourse and std's at about 14). That sums up about fuck all over 11 years.
She's not in a faith school either. Non of my close family, nor other relatives, religious. You know I just wouldn't allow it.
She's not in a faith school either. Non of my close family, nor other relatives, religious. You know I just wouldn't allow it.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
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Sam Slater
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Re: Teenage Pregnancies
More than I ever did anyway. Lets hope the future generations of teenagers benefit.
[i]I used to spend a lot of time criticizing Islam on here in the noughties - but things are much better now.[/i]
Re: Teenage Pregnancies
I am a little drunk now but what the hell, I'm 25 years old now, no children , no wife, the sex education i recieved was good, sometimes i think some of the poster here would like a world of full employment for everyone, the way the world is and has been, it is never going to happen. give Wendy her money it's not going to break the bank of England.
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Re: Teenage Pregnancies
One of the most interesting threads for a good while.
Some points I'd make -
Please don't think that the majority of girls make a really conscious decision to get pregnant. They just have no life aspirations and they just slip into getting pregnant - and it gives them some role in life which they've never had before.
Major issue of men not taking responsibility. My closest colleague at work used to be a midwife in the middle of the city we work in. Lots of stories but a prime example is that she saw the same bloke 3 times in one day, in 3 different houses with 3 different women. And when she saw him the 3rd time, he winked at her.
The kids should always be the most important thing. How can we (the society as a whole) give them the opportunity to break the vicious circle that some are in?
I don't have an answer to all this. An enormous social problem - I feel sorry for a lot of the girls, but feel a lot sorrier for their kids.
Some points I'd make -
Please don't think that the majority of girls make a really conscious decision to get pregnant. They just have no life aspirations and they just slip into getting pregnant - and it gives them some role in life which they've never had before.
Major issue of men not taking responsibility. My closest colleague at work used to be a midwife in the middle of the city we work in. Lots of stories but a prime example is that she saw the same bloke 3 times in one day, in 3 different houses with 3 different women. And when she saw him the 3rd time, he winked at her.
The kids should always be the most important thing. How can we (the society as a whole) give them the opportunity to break the vicious circle that some are in?
I don't have an answer to all this. An enormous social problem - I feel sorry for a lot of the girls, but feel a lot sorrier for their kids.
Re: Teenage Pregnancies
IG wrote:
> Major issue of men not taking responsibility.
Exactly. If we are going to castigate the females, then equally, we should attribute greater blame to these men who impregnate these females. They conduct themselves without a semblance of accountability.
> Major issue of men not taking responsibility.
Exactly. If we are going to castigate the females, then equally, we should attribute greater blame to these men who impregnate these females. They conduct themselves without a semblance of accountability.
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Deuce Bigolo
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You lucky lucky bastard Sam
My sex education was 1 30 minute session in the last year of highschool
where we played pit the sexual organ name on the body
Totally useless but then it was 1983,Australia
and a private religious school Westminster
My sex education was 1 30 minute session in the last year of highschool
where we played pit the sexual organ name on the body
Totally useless but then it was 1983,Australia
and a private religious school Westminster