Blimey. 80s glamour? Wow. I concur with Andrea Clark, Solange, Steph Bewes (cracking tits). But there were so many quality British birds then. Look at it now, and aside from some noteable exceptions who visit this site, the days when you could pick up a mag and find loads of girls along the lines of Shanine Linton, Emma Caesari etc are long gone.
The markets too full of those little Eastern European birds. Now don't get me wrong, I'd like to bounce up and down on them as much as the next man (Jirina, yummy), but they're not *women* are they?
One of the things any porn bloke will tell you at the moment is that most girls shave their fannies. It's really, really difficult to find a natural look (John will confirm). To me, that means that girls of 2002 are far ruder than their predecessors. The fact that most of them are happy to take it up the arse is a good indication, too!
If someone's looking at bringing a bit of retro back to wank mags, more power to their elbow. If you'll pardon the expression!
mens mags slightly o/t
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Officer Dibble
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
Yeah, sounds groovy Dave. If you do manage to find some good old natural style birds (with nothing added, or taken away) after you've photographed them point 'em in my direction so I can get down to making some decent erotic vids. If we can work together we can bolster the old sea defences anginst the current tide of tosh.
Dibble.
Dibble.
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Officer Dibble
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
I'll second most of that. Stephanie Bews, Shannine Linton, Emma Caesari eh? Quality birds indeed. What we wouldn't have given to be seen out with them on our arms hey? The only current bird I fancy on my arm, or indeed knob, at the moment is that Claire Sweeny sort.
It is indeed difficult to find a natural look at the moment - maybe the answer is extra spondulix. Maybe offer an extra ?200 quid per shoot over and above the going rate for girls displaying all the wonders of the natural world. Or, maybe if you get a couple of girls along to a shoot and one did happen to be au naturel, when it come to dishing out wages you could say ?300 for you 'Jane' ?300 for you 'Susan' oh and what a magnificent bush Susan, you deserve an extra ?200.00, so cop for that. After a couple of jobs like that I reckon Jane would soon be converting to the natural way of thinking.
Dibble.
It is indeed difficult to find a natural look at the moment - maybe the answer is extra spondulix. Maybe offer an extra ?200 quid per shoot over and above the going rate for girls displaying all the wonders of the natural world. Or, maybe if you get a couple of girls along to a shoot and one did happen to be au naturel, when it come to dishing out wages you could say ?300 for you 'Jane' ?300 for you 'Susan' oh and what a magnificent bush Susan, you deserve an extra ?200.00, so cop for that. After a couple of jobs like that I reckon Jane would soon be converting to the natural way of thinking.
Dibble.
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TheProf
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
Gentlemen,
As a pro photographer from the '50's onwards,and all the girls you mentioned above I've photographed...you are right in what your saying.
Except,you can pay the girl as much as you like-but you personally would become 'bankrupt'overnight.WHY,because the publisher(s)are still paying 'silly money'for your work.
Fee's in this country are dreadful,plain and simply dreadful.
...the same as you were getting in the '80's.
And why don't we get the beauty's of old-simple, the business has changed,girls today can get wonderful payments working in laptop establishments or whatever..
...besides,coming into modelling today the first thing she's proportioned with,some bloke wanting to put is dick up her arse for a movie! Forget it!
British girls have become wise old owls & learn't to stay clear of the business...they leave the porn to the girls in Prague and the like.
...an era has passed,and nothing is going to bring it back,life changes...and the 'stunning girls'have realised that..can't blame them...Money talks in other directions.
TheProf.
As a pro photographer from the '50's onwards,and all the girls you mentioned above I've photographed...you are right in what your saying.
Except,you can pay the girl as much as you like-but you personally would become 'bankrupt'overnight.WHY,because the publisher(s)are still paying 'silly money'for your work.
Fee's in this country are dreadful,plain and simply dreadful.
...the same as you were getting in the '80's.
And why don't we get the beauty's of old-simple, the business has changed,girls today can get wonderful payments working in laptop establishments or whatever..
...besides,coming into modelling today the first thing she's proportioned with,some bloke wanting to put is dick up her arse for a movie! Forget it!
British girls have become wise old owls & learn't to stay clear of the business...they leave the porn to the girls in Prague and the like.
...an era has passed,and nothing is going to bring it back,life changes...and the 'stunning girls'have realised that..can't blame them...Money talks in other directions.
TheProf.
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electric
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
yes i think that probably sums it up. an age of "innocence" has passed.shame.
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Officer Dibble
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
You're a wise man Prof and I fear all you say is true. But the P R Mann will not roll over and accept the situation; he'll carry on his campaign for glamour girls and porn stars that are actually, er glamorous.
What you say about publishers (and don?t forget producers) is spot on. But I say fuck 'em! They are at least partially responsible for the current sad situation. Most of them have been complicit in the drive downmarket - some more than others. But as ever, what goes around comes around and because publishers didn?t invest in and nurture new talent (proper gorgeous girls) the magazine buying public now has no reason to buy their naff products, which today are packed page to page with breathtakingly lack lustre content (at best.)
With the advent of the Internet everyone has the opportunity of becoming a publisher - so all is not lost. If a quality product, with real gorgeous girls could once again be produced the world could be your oyster. Even if it was only a niche market there must be thousands of guys out there who long for a new, properly made up and togged out, Linda Lusardi, Stacey Owen, Debbie Ashby, etc.
Die Hard Dibble.
What you say about publishers (and don?t forget producers) is spot on. But I say fuck 'em! They are at least partially responsible for the current sad situation. Most of them have been complicit in the drive downmarket - some more than others. But as ever, what goes around comes around and because publishers didn?t invest in and nurture new talent (proper gorgeous girls) the magazine buying public now has no reason to buy their naff products, which today are packed page to page with breathtakingly lack lustre content (at best.)
With the advent of the Internet everyone has the opportunity of becoming a publisher - so all is not lost. If a quality product, with real gorgeous girls could once again be produced the world could be your oyster. Even if it was only a niche market there must be thousands of guys out there who long for a new, properly made up and togged out, Linda Lusardi, Stacey Owen, Debbie Ashby, etc.
Die Hard Dibble.
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TheProf
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
Spot on,Sir...Remember certain publishers today who will remain nameless,but are 'millionaires'could'nt care two figs about us,the photographers,or even the buying public,providing they can buy CHEAP (the first word they learn at nursery school).
So you get second rate American rubbish that's imported into this country at a bargain price...the yanks don't care,to them they are selling,second,third,forth,rights.
The British photographer-broke.
The public-cheesed off with silicone.
The Publisher-another brand new car.
It's simple,then you wonder why 'producers' set up sites using their own material.If you can make it pay-good luck,you don't have to face a publisher or his lackey named an editor,with all the bull about,we can only pay you this or that.
...and the violins playing in the background while you are looking out into the carpark,and looking at his latest Jag!.
Artistic talent does'nt come into it-can we have it cheap,is the motto?
Wake up,Britain..the word 'glamour'is sinking under a tide of mediocre,it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
I rest my case,
TheProf.
So you get second rate American rubbish that's imported into this country at a bargain price...the yanks don't care,to them they are selling,second,third,forth,rights.
The British photographer-broke.
The public-cheesed off with silicone.
The Publisher-another brand new car.
It's simple,then you wonder why 'producers' set up sites using their own material.If you can make it pay-good luck,you don't have to face a publisher or his lackey named an editor,with all the bull about,we can only pay you this or that.
...and the violins playing in the background while you are looking out into the carpark,and looking at his latest Jag!.
Artistic talent does'nt come into it-can we have it cheap,is the motto?
Wake up,Britain..the word 'glamour'is sinking under a tide of mediocre,it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
I rest my case,
TheProf.
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buttsie
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
The other word that comes to mind is 'Saturation'
To many magazines using amateurs as fillers,probably because they are 'Cheaper'than the established models like Jo,Adele,Kirsty,Karen etc.
Where there are eight magazines all published by one company there should be two/three simply to keep quality high.
You can never go back and has been said the Internet is the new kid on the block sadly.Just look at some of the paysites on offer-mirrors the magazines but on a larger scale-quantity not quality.You could say the same about porn vids.
No mags for this little black duck
I'll stick too visiting for my fill on new emerging talent & for the old & new.
Buyer beware
cheers
B...OZ
To many magazines using amateurs as fillers,probably because they are 'Cheaper'than the established models like Jo,Adele,Kirsty,Karen etc.
Where there are eight magazines all published by one company there should be two/three simply to keep quality high.
You can never go back and has been said the Internet is the new kid on the block sadly.Just look at some of the paysites on offer-mirrors the magazines but on a larger scale-quantity not quality.You could say the same about porn vids.
No mags for this little black duck
I'll stick too visiting for my fill on new emerging talent & for the old & new.
Buyer beware
cheers
B...OZ
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electric
Re: mens mags slightly o/t
i think it must have been the stilletos and stockings that did it for me.