I watched Spurs beat, oops, draw with Chelsea last night at The Lane. Aside from Cashley Cole's disgraceful tackle on Hutton and the even more disgraceful decision not to send him off, it was a great game.
It revealed, conclusively, that Grant is crap and I don't think CFC will come away with anything this season because of him.
Against Spurs as soon as Ramos made substitutions to chase goals, Grant responded by bringing in another defender, Alex, for Kalou. Our midfield which had struggled, was now freed from defensive responsibilities and we could launch attack after attack. Taking Joe Cole (CFC's best player on the night) off smacked of fear, not the act of a manager in charge of one of the strongest sides in the world. I've seen it before. Jol used to do it. Negative tactics only work if you're very sure that the opposition doesn't have the quality to score against you. Spurs have never been found wanting in front of goal for the last three seasons.
It was a typical Spurs' performance, uneven and bizarre, but we should have won it. Still, to come from 3-1 down says much about the resolve Ramos is creating amongst the squad.
As for Grant, perhaps Mike CFC or Ace, could ask him to close the door on his way out?
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Is what you're saying that the only way for Grant to prove his competence is to win something ? Let's suppose that Arsenal finish the season empty handed in which case it would be four seasons since the won the Premiership with an FA Cup win and Champions League final appearance in that time, but in terms of silverware 1 FA Cup. Would you be agitating for Wenger to get the sack ... how long would you accept the 'rebuilding' justification ? Why does someone like Wenger or Alex Ferguson get years and someone like Grant gets about 6 months ?
How long are you going to give Ramos? If they're not a Champions League proposition this time next season should he be sacked ? He's won the Carling Cup but it's conveniently forgotten that when it's won by Chelsea or Man Utd it's seen by the press as a trifling consolation, and had Chelsea beaten Spurs there would have been few plaudits for Grant because it would have been seen as 'normal sevice'.
Tottenham away wasn't an easy fixture - Man U drew 1-1 with a last minute equaliser. Okay, Chelsea were 3-1 up at one point just as they were 3-1 down at Stamford Bridge in the cup game last season. You have to wonder how much the coach can affect a game like that .. in the cup game Mourinho's substitutions were seen to be key, last night you're saying Grant's judgement was lacking, but what about the on-field leadership ? Should there have been more resolve from the players to protect the lead, should credit be given to Ramos and the Spurs players ? At the end of the day they got a point.
How long are you going to give Ramos? If they're not a Champions League proposition this time next season should he be sacked ? He's won the Carling Cup but it's conveniently forgotten that when it's won by Chelsea or Man Utd it's seen by the press as a trifling consolation, and had Chelsea beaten Spurs there would have been few plaudits for Grant because it would have been seen as 'normal sevice'.
Tottenham away wasn't an easy fixture - Man U drew 1-1 with a last minute equaliser. Okay, Chelsea were 3-1 up at one point just as they were 3-1 down at Stamford Bridge in the cup game last season. You have to wonder how much the coach can affect a game like that .. in the cup game Mourinho's substitutions were seen to be key, last night you're saying Grant's judgement was lacking, but what about the on-field leadership ? Should there have been more resolve from the players to protect the lead, should credit be given to Ramos and the Spurs players ? At the end of the day they got a point.
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All fair points, but yes I do think that any manager worth his salt with the squad and investment at CFC should win things, no excuses.
Both Ferguson and Wenger built their squads, they didn't simply buy all of the best players in the world at their leisure. In any normal club results take time. Similarly Ramos does not yet have his own squad but he's already had a profound effect tactically and on the belief in the side. He needs time to build. Funds aren't limitless though, unlike CFC.
CFC is unique. It doesn't perform uniquely though. Even under Mourinho I don't think Roman has seen a real return on his investment because of Europe. I'll state here and now that CFC will not win the Champs' League this season either.
I'd be delighted to see Grant stay. I don't rate him. Watched CFC lose the League Cup due to his tactical incompetence and watched them throw away a 3-1 lead last night due to his tactical incompetence. CFC has leaders galore in its ranks. Spurs has none, except perhaps Keano and Woodgate. The difference in both matches were the decisions of the respective managers.
To dismiss Spurs' taking a point against a side with CFC's quality, and to do it from 3-1 down, is ungenerous. To me CFC is by far the easiest of the top four to take on, followed by Pool. My blood only runs cold agianst the Goons and United.
The point is CFC should be in a class of its own. It isn't. Questions should be asked of both manager and players.
Both Ferguson and Wenger built their squads, they didn't simply buy all of the best players in the world at their leisure. In any normal club results take time. Similarly Ramos does not yet have his own squad but he's already had a profound effect tactically and on the belief in the side. He needs time to build. Funds aren't limitless though, unlike CFC.
CFC is unique. It doesn't perform uniquely though. Even under Mourinho I don't think Roman has seen a real return on his investment because of Europe. I'll state here and now that CFC will not win the Champs' League this season either.
I'd be delighted to see Grant stay. I don't rate him. Watched CFC lose the League Cup due to his tactical incompetence and watched them throw away a 3-1 lead last night due to his tactical incompetence. CFC has leaders galore in its ranks. Spurs has none, except perhaps Keano and Woodgate. The difference in both matches were the decisions of the respective managers.
To dismiss Spurs' taking a point against a side with CFC's quality, and to do it from 3-1 down, is ungenerous. To me CFC is by far the easiest of the top four to take on, followed by Pool. My blood only runs cold agianst the Goons and United.
The point is CFC should be in a class of its own. It isn't. Questions should be asked of both manager and players.
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I'm a Chelsea fan... have been since about 1968/69.
Grant is our worst manager for many a long time. Totally clueless and devoid of any tactical nous. If we win anything (and I doubt we will) it'll be down to the players not him... it would help if he kept Joe Cole on the pitch all the time, unless we're 4-0 up with 5 minutes to go! Last night Lampard was fairly subdued, so why not take him off for Ballack instead of Cole, who was inventive and always looked likely to score. I agree with Chatterji... bringing Alex on for Kalou not only freed up the midfield for Spurs, it also gave out a negative message.
To be honest I have never been a fan of Ashley Cole... I didn't like him when he was at Arsenal and my opinion hasn't changed since he joined Chelsea. If anything I despise him even more now. He epitomises everything that is wrong about the modern game and I would not shed a tear if he received a career ending injury... the man is an over-paid arrogant cunt!
Grant is our worst manager for many a long time. Totally clueless and devoid of any tactical nous. If we win anything (and I doubt we will) it'll be down to the players not him... it would help if he kept Joe Cole on the pitch all the time, unless we're 4-0 up with 5 minutes to go! Last night Lampard was fairly subdued, so why not take him off for Ballack instead of Cole, who was inventive and always looked likely to score. I agree with Chatterji... bringing Alex on for Kalou not only freed up the midfield for Spurs, it also gave out a negative message.
To be honest I have never been a fan of Ashley Cole... I didn't like him when he was at Arsenal and my opinion hasn't changed since he joined Chelsea. If anything I despise him even more now. He epitomises everything that is wrong about the modern game and I would not shed a tear if he received a career ending injury... the man is an over-paid arrogant cunt!
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I watched Spurs beat, oops, draw with Chelsea last night at The Lane. Aside from Cashley Cole's disgraceful tackle on Hutton and the even more disgraceful decision not to send him off, it was a great game.
It was a shocking tackle and one that thoroughly deserved a red card. Shame that the FA can't take retrospective action because the ref booked him for it.
It was a great game. Words not often uttered when Chelsea play as they are usually an insomniacs dream.
It revealed, conclusively, that Grant is crap and I don't think CFC will come away with anything this season because of him.
I think we knew that before last nights game that he was well out of his depth.
It was a typical Spurs' performance, uneven and bizarre, but we should have won it. Still, to come from 3-1 down says much about the resolve Ramos is creating amongst the squad.
Yes it was a typical Spurs performance and the test will come for Ramos in turning Spurs into a consistent team in the Lge next season.
At the moment he has a great reputation in Cup competitions but not so in the week in week out environment of Lge football. Tottenham are however going the right way and under Ramos have their best chance of progressing into the top 4 or 5, that they've had for many many years.
As for Grant, perhaps Mike CFC or Ace, could ask him to close the door on his way out?
Oh no don't say that.
Let's hope the Russian gangster and his arsehole sidekick Kenyon stick with Grant so that Chelsea plummet to the depths that they totally deserve (ho ho) and the rest of us can watch in amusement as 80-90% of their current supporters go back to supporting Man Utd, which they were doing before they jumped on the Abramovich bandwagon.
Seriously though chatterji you make some good points in both this and your subsequent post and I wonder if Mike CFC will stop calling your ground 3pts Lane now as they haven't won their for the last couple of seasons.
It was a shocking tackle and one that thoroughly deserved a red card. Shame that the FA can't take retrospective action because the ref booked him for it.
It was a great game. Words not often uttered when Chelsea play as they are usually an insomniacs dream.
It revealed, conclusively, that Grant is crap and I don't think CFC will come away with anything this season because of him.
I think we knew that before last nights game that he was well out of his depth.
It was a typical Spurs' performance, uneven and bizarre, but we should have won it. Still, to come from 3-1 down says much about the resolve Ramos is creating amongst the squad.
Yes it was a typical Spurs performance and the test will come for Ramos in turning Spurs into a consistent team in the Lge next season.
At the moment he has a great reputation in Cup competitions but not so in the week in week out environment of Lge football. Tottenham are however going the right way and under Ramos have their best chance of progressing into the top 4 or 5, that they've had for many many years.
As for Grant, perhaps Mike CFC or Ace, could ask him to close the door on his way out?
Oh no don't say that.
Let's hope the Russian gangster and his arsehole sidekick Kenyon stick with Grant so that Chelsea plummet to the depths that they totally deserve (ho ho) and the rest of us can watch in amusement as 80-90% of their current supporters go back to supporting Man Utd, which they were doing before they jumped on the Abramovich bandwagon.
Seriously though chatterji you make some good points in both this and your subsequent post and I wonder if Mike CFC will stop calling your ground 3pts Lane now as they haven't won their for the last couple of seasons.
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The Yids were unfortunate not to go on and win it if you ask me!
Grant is useless, I dispaired of Ranieri's tactics at times, but Claudio always did what he thought best and most of the time, he got it right, albeit getting it wrong at crucial games!!
I am not alone in thinking Chelsea will win nothing this season, and its down to management, although certain players have to stand up and be counted here as well.
As posted in another thread, Jose will be laughing, not so much AT the players, but the hierarchy for doing exactly as he predicted when he left.
Ashley Cole is a cunt, I think like-minded fans agree on that one, and I am tiring at our whining and whinging at every decision. We should learn to button it sometimes.
Grant is useless, I dispaired of Ranieri's tactics at times, but Claudio always did what he thought best and most of the time, he got it right, albeit getting it wrong at crucial games!!
I am not alone in thinking Chelsea will win nothing this season, and its down to management, although certain players have to stand up and be counted here as well.
As posted in another thread, Jose will be laughing, not so much AT the players, but the hierarchy for doing exactly as he predicted when he left.
Ashley Cole is a cunt, I think like-minded fans agree on that one, and I am tiring at our whining and whinging at every decision. We should learn to button it sometimes.
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hammer4life
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Shame really both sides could come away with no points
On one hand you have the rent boys from west london - the sellouts that dont seem to care one bit that theyre club is considered to be the whores of european football, where anyone or anything can be bought at the right price.
If you ever need a modern day example why football has gone to the dogs you just need to see Chelsea Football Club and realise whats gone wrong.
Then you have to predictable yet ever as annoying yids, fair play the majority arent jonny come latelys like the other bunch, but in many ways they are just as bad and 5 times as annoying.
Tottenham fans believe is it their god given right to be succesful despite the reality in that they are no bigger club than your newcastles, celtics or man citys of this world.
They spend ridiculous amounts of money each and every year in the desperate hope that they`ll finally actually acheive something - then when they actually win something as meaningless as the milk cup they have the cheek to go on about it as if they are now all of a sudden succesful despite the clearly obvious fact their neighbours just down the road dont spend half as much yet are 3-4 times more succesful than they`ll ever be.
Oh and before this thread becomes adorned by rent boy and yiddos - yes i am west ham born and bred and proud of who we are, oh and...
WE WON THE FUCKING WORLD CUP!!!!!!!!!
On one hand you have the rent boys from west london - the sellouts that dont seem to care one bit that theyre club is considered to be the whores of european football, where anyone or anything can be bought at the right price.
If you ever need a modern day example why football has gone to the dogs you just need to see Chelsea Football Club and realise whats gone wrong.
Then you have to predictable yet ever as annoying yids, fair play the majority arent jonny come latelys like the other bunch, but in many ways they are just as bad and 5 times as annoying.
Tottenham fans believe is it their god given right to be succesful despite the reality in that they are no bigger club than your newcastles, celtics or man citys of this world.
They spend ridiculous amounts of money each and every year in the desperate hope that they`ll finally actually acheive something - then when they actually win something as meaningless as the milk cup they have the cheek to go on about it as if they are now all of a sudden succesful despite the clearly obvious fact their neighbours just down the road dont spend half as much yet are 3-4 times more succesful than they`ll ever be.
Oh and before this thread becomes adorned by rent boy and yiddos - yes i am west ham born and bred and proud of who we are, oh and...
WE WON THE FUCKING WORLD CUP!!!!!!!!!
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Ah yes, Eastern philosophy.
Newcastle as big as Spurs? In what universe? Fanatical but only local fanbase. Won nowt. City's a grand old club, I'll grant you, but Celtic play in a second-rate league, can't cite them as being equivalent to Spurs.
Of course the Yid army thinks we've fallen from great heights, because we have. There's never been an English club with more glamour or style than Spurs 1960-1963, at home and on the European stage though. Ancient history but it's in the blood. We don't believe it's a right to be successful but we know that we can and should have performed far better over the last decade.
I'm not going to diminish the achievements of the Goons, but Spurs is still recognisably an English club, which I like, and we're clearly on the up. Back-to-back fifths, in Europe for three consecutive seasons, with arguably one of the best managers in the world. I can live with that and the prospect of a truly special season next year.
I know you lot have been a useful feeder club for us, and a dumping ground for players too poor to play for Spurs, so I get the resentment you must feel. But just remind me again where you finished the last two seasons, how many cups you've won and how many European games you've played?
Whose history contains TWO championships 1951 & 1961; EIGHT FA cups 1901, 1921, 1961, 1962, 1967, 1981, 1982 & 1991; THREE European trophies 1963, 1972 & 1984; and FOUR League Cup wins 1971, 1973 1999 & 2008? We are Tottenham, super Tottenham, from the Lane. A big club? Big enough.
Newcastle as big as Spurs? In what universe? Fanatical but only local fanbase. Won nowt. City's a grand old club, I'll grant you, but Celtic play in a second-rate league, can't cite them as being equivalent to Spurs.
Of course the Yid army thinks we've fallen from great heights, because we have. There's never been an English club with more glamour or style than Spurs 1960-1963, at home and on the European stage though. Ancient history but it's in the blood. We don't believe it's a right to be successful but we know that we can and should have performed far better over the last decade.
I'm not going to diminish the achievements of the Goons, but Spurs is still recognisably an English club, which I like, and we're clearly on the up. Back-to-back fifths, in Europe for three consecutive seasons, with arguably one of the best managers in the world. I can live with that and the prospect of a truly special season next year.
I know you lot have been a useful feeder club for us, and a dumping ground for players too poor to play for Spurs, so I get the resentment you must feel. But just remind me again where you finished the last two seasons, how many cups you've won and how many European games you've played?
Whose history contains TWO championships 1951 & 1961; EIGHT FA cups 1901, 1921, 1961, 1962, 1967, 1981, 1982 & 1991; THREE European trophies 1963, 1972 & 1984; and FOUR League Cup wins 1971, 1973 1999 & 2008? We are Tottenham, super Tottenham, from the Lane. A big club? Big enough.
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hammer4life
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`Ark at her
typical deluded fucking yiddo, I would love to say you are the exception to the rule but where your lot are concerned quite frankly your not.
Please care to remind me again apart from the fact you outspend everyone but chelsea year in year out in a desperate attempt to buy a bit of silverware, despite the fact you consider 5th place to be apt for a club that gets through 50-60million in transfers a season, even despite the fact you claim to have one of the highest paid managers in world football...oh and the 19th highest paid player in the world (no not berbatov.............darren bent
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How exactly are you any bigger a club than ourselves, man city, everton etc??
I`ll tell you now your not, spurs are not considered the great underacheivers of english football because theyve never actually had any period of sustainable success to look back on and emulate.
As said many a time, liverpool have the paisley/shankly eras, newcastle have keegan/mcdermott etc, even city have had periods of greatness.
We have moore/hurst/peters/brooking/greenwood etc etc, we are a famous club the world over because of many reasons, yes we call ourselves "the academy of football" but unlike your lot we dont actually claim every minor statement to be a complete reason of truth.
Your most famous for winning the FA cup with a couple of argies and an ex player who believes in reincarnation.
Spurs a big club................my fucking arse are they!!!!!!!!!!
typical deluded fucking yiddo, I would love to say you are the exception to the rule but where your lot are concerned quite frankly your not.
Please care to remind me again apart from the fact you outspend everyone but chelsea year in year out in a desperate attempt to buy a bit of silverware, despite the fact you consider 5th place to be apt for a club that gets through 50-60million in transfers a season, even despite the fact you claim to have one of the highest paid managers in world football...oh and the 19th highest paid player in the world (no not berbatov.............darren bent
....How exactly are you any bigger a club than ourselves, man city, everton etc??
I`ll tell you now your not, spurs are not considered the great underacheivers of english football because theyve never actually had any period of sustainable success to look back on and emulate.
As said many a time, liverpool have the paisley/shankly eras, newcastle have keegan/mcdermott etc, even city have had periods of greatness.
We have moore/hurst/peters/brooking/greenwood etc etc, we are a famous club the world over because of many reasons, yes we call ourselves "the academy of football" but unlike your lot we dont actually claim every minor statement to be a complete reason of truth.
Your most famous for winning the FA cup with a couple of argies and an ex player who believes in reincarnation.
Spurs a big club................my fucking arse are they!!!!!!!!!!
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Hmmm,another Chelsea bashing thread?,i do despair.
Anyway's.Grant yet again showed what a shit manager he is with his substitutions,last season,at 3-1 up,we would of gone on to win this game at a canter......remember chatterji,we've done it before,December 1997?(6-1).
Cashley Cole should of walked for his 'tackle' on Hutton and i for one will not back him neither apologise for him.If i had my way he would be dropped for Sunday's game against the Goons.
Ramos showed what a good tactician he is by taking advantage of Grant's buphoon style tactics,but Rottenham are still shaky in defence and Ramos and Gus will have alot of work to do in the Summer to rectify that area.
chatterji is right,Rottenham could of stolen it at the death.....thank god for King Carlo,with Cech still out injured,we've got the 2nd best keeper in the prem.
I'm taking it as 1 point gained as we go into Sunday's game with Arsenal and our chance to leapfrog them in the table.
I'm there on Sunday,and can't wait !blues!
hammer4life:You really post some bullshit,then again,West Ham fans do overdose on bullshit,so call it a perk of the trade.And stop that drivel about winning the world cup,you retard pikey.
Anyway's.Grant yet again showed what a shit manager he is with his substitutions,last season,at 3-1 up,we would of gone on to win this game at a canter......remember chatterji,we've done it before,December 1997?(6-1).
Cashley Cole should of walked for his 'tackle' on Hutton and i for one will not back him neither apologise for him.If i had my way he would be dropped for Sunday's game against the Goons.
Ramos showed what a good tactician he is by taking advantage of Grant's buphoon style tactics,but Rottenham are still shaky in defence and Ramos and Gus will have alot of work to do in the Summer to rectify that area.
chatterji is right,Rottenham could of stolen it at the death.....thank god for King Carlo,with Cech still out injured,we've got the 2nd best keeper in the prem.
I'm taking it as 1 point gained as we go into Sunday's game with Arsenal and our chance to leapfrog them in the table.
I'm there on Sunday,and can't wait !blues!
hammer4life:You really post some bullshit,then again,West Ham fans do overdose on bullshit,so call it a perk of the trade.And stop that drivel about winning the world cup,you retard pikey.
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