They Just Don?t Get It

[Officer Dibble]

New Labour luvvies are either dazed, confused, or in denial about the reasons for their current unpopularity. Not so Professor Robert Worcester, founder of pollsters Mori, who told BBC Radio 4 that it was skilled working class voters who appeared to have deserted Labour.

Prof Worcester said that to win those voters back, Labour may have to focus on people's basic worries, rather than on higher level issues like the environment.

"The more esoteric questions, the more removed questions, are not going to bite in electoral terms as much as doing something about food prices, doing something about petrol prices, doing something about car taxes."

Quite. Working folks don?t give a flying fuck about, climate change, equality, social inclusion, gay rights, wimmin?s rights, racism and all the rest of that cack, PC ideology ? because those concerns are almost entirely the concerns of the privileged middle classes. What working people care about is being able to pay their mortgages, being able to afford to fill their motor up with fuel and being able to walk though their estate without being bothered by chav retards or knife wielding ?gangstas?.

The problem with the modern Labour Party is that they can no longer identify with ordinary folks or their concerns and aspirations. This is because they are now a bourgeois middleclass party whose values and views are frequently at odds with those of their traditional ?core supporters? i.e., the working classes.





Officer Dibble

[Pervert]

Define "ordinary people."

[number 6]

One of the basic concerns of the skilled working classes is having a job to go to i would have thought. How many people were on the dole under Thatcher and Major?

[Pervert]

Dibble still sees the working class as the audience of the Wheeltappers And Shunters Social Club, and thinks their ambitions go no further than racing whippets.

[randyandy]

Officer Dibble wrote:

> Quite. Working folks don?t give a flying fuck about, climate
> change, equality, social inclusion, gay rights, wimmin?s
> rights, racism and all the rest of that cack, PC ideology ?
> because those concerns are almost entirely the concerns of the
> privileged middle classes.
>

So why is Green Dave Green?

[Sam Slater]

*sigh*

I really cannot fathom where you get your opinions of the 'working class' from, Dibble. The following got me really confused:

[quote]Working folks don?t give a flying fuck about, climate change, equality, social inclusion, gay rights, wimmin?s rights, racism and all the rest of that cack,[/quote]

Now....I'll try and be as succinct as my literary style permits, seeing as you are inclined to confusion on our occasional debates.

Firstly, 'equality'. Seeing as 50% of working class people are female, why wouldn't they be interested in equality?

Secondly, 'gay rights'. This isn't within my field but I'm sure that the genes that decide one's sexuality aren't class specific.

Thirdly, 'wimmin's rights'. See 'equality'.

Fourthly, 'racism'. As a white working class male living within a large Asian community, I know the majority of working class Blacks and Asians are very concerned with racism; and as a white male in such a community I am well aware of reverse racism. Is it only white people that are working class in your world, Dibble?

I've come to the conclusion that you very rarely speak for the working classes at all; you speak for yourself, or just a very narrow band of the working classes you feel most comfortable with.

[Officer Dibble]

The proletariat.



Officer Dibble

[Officer Dibble]

Sure, but nowadays working people have expanded horizons. They (quite rightly) aren?t satisfied with having to do the jobs their dads did. They don't just want "a job" to go to - they want a dam good job. Perhaps even their own business. Working folk are no longer content with being chattels of the state or small cogs in big machines. They threw off the shackles of post war penury during the 80's and discovered the concept of self-respect - the kind of self-respect that being your own man and master of your own destiny brings.





Officer Dibble

[Officer Dibble]

"?Dibble still sees the working class as the audience of the Wheeltappers And Shunters Social Club, and thinks their ambitions go no further than racing whippets.?

What a bizarre thing to say, Carac. Particularly as one of my constant themes is (and has been since time immemorial) about working people?s desire to rise above their humble origins and have better lives than their parents ? to own their own homes and businesses. To have and do all the things they saw the rich people doing on telly in the 60?s and 70?s. My beef is simply with those (privileged middleclass socialists) who would deny them that opportunity and kick away the ladder.





Officer Dibble