Your last sentence is incorrect, mate - a reckless act in a car is taken seriously but does have the same 'actus reus' as someone brandishing a knife. That is what defines manslaughter & murder - and unless McCormick is proved to have intentionally harmed the victims, it's not the same as stabbing or kicking fuck out of someone - murder is classed as 'intention to kill or cause serious bodily harm' whether or not the intention was to kill, crashing a car is manslaughter.
Luke McCormick - throw away the key
Re: Luke McCormick - throw away the key
They're locking them up today, they're throwing away the key...I wonder who it be tomorrow, you or me?
Re: Broderick
Not quite the same---no drink-driving element---but perhaps worth reading this:
September 2, 2002
BRODERICK'S GUILT
By Bill Hoffmann, New York Post
Matthew Broderick has agreed to meet with the family of the mother and daughter he tragically mowed down in Northern Ireland 15 years ago - in a dramatic bid to ease his longtime pain and guilt.
And the relatives of Margaret Doherty and Anna Gallagher, killed when the star's BMW crossed into the wrong lane and slammed into their Volvo, say the sit-down will finally bring closure.
"He didn't kill my mother and sister deliberately," said Martin Doherty, who still grieves for the family he lost in the horror crash.
"There were strong feelings at the time, but I have since forgiven him and feel no anger toward him."
A spokesman for Broderick, who had an extraordinary Broadway run with "The Producers," told The Post:
"Matthew is willing to meet up with them. There is no ill will - not any sort of anger. The family is seeking some sort of closure."
The meeting will take place sometime next year, after the birth this autumn of Matthew and wife Sarah Jessica Parker's first baby.
The awful crash occurred Aug. 5, 1987, as the career of the 25-year-old Greenwich Village native was taking off.
Broderick was in Northern Ireland, vacationing with his then-girlfriend, "Dirty Dancing" star Jennifer Grey, when the tragedy occurred.
As they drove in a rented BMW along a country road in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Broderick inexplicably veered into the opposite lane. He smashed head-on into the car driven by Gallagher, 30, with her 63-year-old mom as a passenger.
The actor - who had not been drinking - spent four weeks in a Belfast hospital with a fractured leg and ribs, collapsed lung and concussion. Grey escaped with minor injuries.
Both women in the other car were killed instantly.
Broderick told authorities he had no recollection of the crash and didn't know why he was in the wrong lane.
"I don't remember the day. I don't remember even getting up in the morning. I don't remember making my bed. What I first remember is waking up in the hospital, with a very strange feeling going on in my leg," he said at the time.
Broderick was charged with causing death by dangerous driving and faced up to five years behind bars.
He was later convicted of the lesser charge of careless driving and fined just $175 - which had the victims' stunned family calling the case "a travesty of justice."
"There was a note after the accident from him saying how sorry he was - but no other contact," Martin Doherty said.
"I would like a private meeting just between the family and him. I would like to reassure him that there are no bad feelings from us."
Broderick, now 40, acknowledges he was haunted then by the accident - and still is today.
"It was extremely difficult coming to grips with what happened, but in time I felt better about that terrible experience. Therapy helped," he told the new issue of the British women's mag Best.
September 2, 2002
BRODERICK'S GUILT
By Bill Hoffmann, New York Post
Matthew Broderick has agreed to meet with the family of the mother and daughter he tragically mowed down in Northern Ireland 15 years ago - in a dramatic bid to ease his longtime pain and guilt.
And the relatives of Margaret Doherty and Anna Gallagher, killed when the star's BMW crossed into the wrong lane and slammed into their Volvo, say the sit-down will finally bring closure.
"He didn't kill my mother and sister deliberately," said Martin Doherty, who still grieves for the family he lost in the horror crash.
"There were strong feelings at the time, but I have since forgiven him and feel no anger toward him."
A spokesman for Broderick, who had an extraordinary Broadway run with "The Producers," told The Post:
"Matthew is willing to meet up with them. There is no ill will - not any sort of anger. The family is seeking some sort of closure."
The meeting will take place sometime next year, after the birth this autumn of Matthew and wife Sarah Jessica Parker's first baby.
The awful crash occurred Aug. 5, 1987, as the career of the 25-year-old Greenwich Village native was taking off.
Broderick was in Northern Ireland, vacationing with his then-girlfriend, "Dirty Dancing" star Jennifer Grey, when the tragedy occurred.
As they drove in a rented BMW along a country road in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Broderick inexplicably veered into the opposite lane. He smashed head-on into the car driven by Gallagher, 30, with her 63-year-old mom as a passenger.
The actor - who had not been drinking - spent four weeks in a Belfast hospital with a fractured leg and ribs, collapsed lung and concussion. Grey escaped with minor injuries.
Both women in the other car were killed instantly.
Broderick told authorities he had no recollection of the crash and didn't know why he was in the wrong lane.
"I don't remember the day. I don't remember even getting up in the morning. I don't remember making my bed. What I first remember is waking up in the hospital, with a very strange feeling going on in my leg," he said at the time.
Broderick was charged with causing death by dangerous driving and faced up to five years behind bars.
He was later convicted of the lesser charge of careless driving and fined just $175 - which had the victims' stunned family calling the case "a travesty of justice."
"There was a note after the accident from him saying how sorry he was - but no other contact," Martin Doherty said.
"I would like a private meeting just between the family and him. I would like to reassure him that there are no bad feelings from us."
Broderick, now 40, acknowledges he was haunted then by the accident - and still is today.
"It was extremely difficult coming to grips with what happened, but in time I felt better about that terrible experience. Therapy helped," he told the new issue of the British women's mag Best.
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Re: Luke McCormick - throw away the key
Yes, you're quite right. I agree with everything you say. We live in the society of "I'm alright Jack!" The only thing that will stop selfish cunts like this is if creeps like him face either physical justice (like those I described in my last post), or financial justice. And yes, I actually meant what I said before, whoever it might be. I wasn't saying it just because I hate football and football players. If this crap corrupt society feels it's above physically branding these scum in any way, then I say hit him in the other place it hurts, in the pocket. As the saying goes, the best place to hit a rich person is in the pocket. Make the scum dead poor and have him back on the dole queue. With a criminal record he should be in a slum and shit poor for the rest of his life. And a triple whammy should mean his probable gold digging WAG whore should desert him too. Ahh, the justice of it.... 
Re: Luke McCormick - throw away the key
I bet if he was a dustman he wouldn't be treated with such leniency and get slapped on the back like that. But hopefully his not having insurance might be a blessing in disguise. Killing the kids by drinking and driving might have got him a Mickey Mouse sentence, but not with no insurance. I mean, the kids don't mean much to the establishment, but the money lost through not paying his insurance will; especially now he's killed people. Not having insurance wouldn't have stopped the accident, but not having insurance will cut his throat for him. No more 4x4s. No more big house. No more WAGs. Heh, heh
Re: Luke McCormick - throw away the key
Which is fair enough if you believe there is no room for human error, and never make mistakes yourself - and by that no I don't mean drink driving or using a mobile,I mean the moments every 'normal' person goes through, the brief lapses of concentration etc - who hasn't had at least one near-miss, heart-in-mouth moment in their driving were they have narrowly avoided a collision for which they would have been responsible?
Would any of us feel anything less than devasted if we caused such an accident, and if so why do we assume that McCormick wouldn't?
And why oh why, when they have the guy responsible, do the police have to wheel out the poor mother from her immense grief to a press conference? Will it help her overcome her devastating loss? Will it bring her sons back? Will it aid her crippled husbands recovery? Will it even make some boneheads watching think 'oh I was gonna go out driving pissed tonight, now I'll change my ways?'
As far as stabbing people and the distinction between manslaughter & murder, the law is very clear that if, even through drink or drugs, you attack someone intending to cause them ABH or GBH that can be 'attempted murder', manslaughter is when there is no INTENT
Would any of us feel anything less than devasted if we caused such an accident, and if so why do we assume that McCormick wouldn't?
And why oh why, when they have the guy responsible, do the police have to wheel out the poor mother from her immense grief to a press conference? Will it help her overcome her devastating loss? Will it bring her sons back? Will it aid her crippled husbands recovery? Will it even make some boneheads watching think 'oh I was gonna go out driving pissed tonight, now I'll change my ways?'
As far as stabbing people and the distinction between manslaughter & murder, the law is very clear that if, even through drink or drugs, you attack someone intending to cause them ABH or GBH that can be 'attempted murder', manslaughter is when there is no INTENT
They're locking them up today, they're throwing away the key...I wonder who it be tomorrow, you or me?
Re: Luke McCormick - throw away the key
He was driving a dirty great 4x4.
I wonder how much that contributed to the outcome of this accident?
You don't stand much chance when one of them bastards hits you.
I wonder how much that contributed to the outcome of this accident?
You don't stand much chance when one of them bastards hits you.
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Re: Luke McCormick - throw away the key
But then you cannot get past the fact that you're punishing for who they are, not what they did, and being famous/rich/idolised isn't illegal. Not living up to other peoples morals and expectations is illegal either.
It's unequal and thus: unjust. If unjust then how can you call it justice? I feel that people like to see celebs/rich people punished more due to personal envy, pure and simple.
It's unequal and thus: unjust. If unjust then how can you call it justice? I feel that people like to see celebs/rich people punished more due to personal envy, pure and simple.
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