Thanks, Irish people

[stripeysydney]

You bastard, Jaques, you just had to do that, did'nt you. I'd only just managed to get rid of that horrendous image and you've bought it all back.
May Ian Paisley live next door to you.

[Sam Slater]

So there's no democratic way to opt-out, once in?

[Jacques]

Here have some of this, it's gaotse strength

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[JonnyHungwell]

You know it won't make any difference - the sly bastards at the top in the EU will just pass the stuff in another form bit by bit - or just ignore the people and press on regardless. They just ignored everyone's views the last time it was rejected, and the same will happen again.

But what pisses me off about the Irish is they were totally pro EU whilst they were getting all the money dished out to them - but now they may have to contribute and give money to the Poles, Slovakians and other eastern Europeans - the cnuts don't want to know.

[davey]

raise your glasses to the paddies and two fingers to our treacherous government

[Guilbert]

>Ireland would lose its right to decide its own taxes, human rights and employment rules.

Well they have a point about human rights.

There are loads of illegal immigrant scum that have come to this country and committed major crimes like murder, rape etc.

But when we have tried to send them back to their home country they have cried "human rights" and we cannot send them back.

We are then stuck with them until they commit another crime so we can lock them up again.

The quicker the fraud ridden badly run EU is disbanded the better.

[Mysteryman]

"But what pisses me off about the Irish is they were totally pro EU whilst they were getting all the money dished out to them - but now they may have to contribute and give money to the Poles, Slovakians and other eastern Europeans - the cnuts don't want to know."

Johnny, ?150,000,000 from Brussels drove the Celtic Tiger. Throwing the treaty out doesn't reflect the attitude of the Irish to the EU, or to contributing - though to my mind it smacks of ingratitude - even the driving force behind the "No" camp, Libertas a grouping formed solely to oppose the Treaty, is avowedly pro EU as an entity.

They just don't like this Treaty and have used misleading info to scare the public. Apart from the examples in my earlier post, someone rang in to a talk show this evening so relieved that the Treaty had been thrown out because she'd been told, by a canvasser, that a "Yes" vote would mean conscription into a European Army for her sons.

As the major news outlets are saying, the "No" vote has won, not because of what the Treaty says, or will influence, but because of what the "No" campaign has frightened people into believing it would do - claims which the "Yes" camp thought the electorate were too smart to believe.

[Mysteryman]

"Well they have a point about human rights."

Utter rubbish - the Treaty had no bearing on Human Rights and the immigrant rules for Ireland which are part of a free travel agreement with the UK. They are - and would remain - distinctly different to the rest of the EU which either has, or is about to, operate under the Schengen Agreement.

Next year you will need a passport to travel between mainland UK and the Republic and vice versa - nothing to do with the EU, everything to do with UK paranoia, learned from the US, which stupidly keeps the UK and Ireland out of Schengen and makes travel to and from these islands much more difficult, even for our own citizens.

Ireland has taken more immigrants from the Eastern EU and more asylum seekers as a proportion of its population in the last 8 years than any other EU country, with little difficulty - but then the influence of the Stun, Daily Depress and Daily Wail is much less here than in the UK.

10 years ago, apart from one Indian surgeon, there wasn't a coloured face in the town of 22,000 which is my nearest centre. The only foreign voices, apart from tourists, were the few English and Germans living in the area.

Now the population is 29,000. The vast majority of the increase is from Eastern Europe and Slavic languages can be heard on the street all the time. There are asylum seekers from Somalia, Nigeria, Sudan and, from last years troubles in Kenya but the bulk of murders and other criminal activity in Ireland stem from the local youth and their involvement in drug related gun crime and early morning drunken stabbings, fighting outside nightclubs.

There have been some murders and criminal involvement amonst the immigrants but, in a country which has seen the amount of violent crime rocket in the last 15 years, the proportion attributed to non-nationals is less than 0.5% of the increase.

[pj]

economically benefitted, yes. But can Ireland be bought, no.

Interesting that Hitler may be laughing in his grave. Europe is now becoming what he wanted, only money, not war is the weapon of choice.

No one here understood the treaty. The top politicians never read it. Top solicitors who read legal jargon every day tried to figure it out. there was too much unsaid in between the lines, because spelling ouyt the truth would definitely make people vote no. So it was hidden within the text. people feared about losing certain things, neutrality etc and said feck this.. we'll go against it.

[Mysteryman]

"people feared about losing certain things, neutrality etc"

The status of which would not have changed under the Treaty.

You hit the nail on the head. People feared what they didn't understand and what wasn't there but were told was. Basically the "Yes" campaign were too idle to make the case, the "No" campaign capitalised, ratcheted up the fear with falsehoods and rumours and just over half of those who bothered to vote were conned.

"But can Ireland be bought, no."

How is being a nett recipient, under the old EC and current EU structures being "bought"? Are you saying that, for 35 years, Ireland has been bribed to stay in the EC/EU and accept its rulings?